Scotland. *If* an independent UK turns out to be half as bad as a lot of people think, I think that short term living under the Scottish Government would shield you from a lot of the impact. Medium term, Scotland would leave the UK and rejoin the EU.
We will find it very difficult to escape ECHR, as that is by virtue of our membership of the Council of Europe, a rather larger organisation - and ironically, the UK was instrumental in setting up ECHR in the first place.
I’m entitled to an Irish passport, as is my wife, and we will continue to have free movement of people across the land frontier, as we have done since partition (and, indeed, by ferry or aeroplane)
I honestly think though that Brexit campaigners are guilty of severe and unmerited optimism. We need the EU more than the EU needs us.
The EHCR is squarely in the sights of the Brexit campaigners, and it does no good to remind them that Winston Churchill was the driving force creating it. This is about 'Europe', not about the EU and the specific question on the referendum ballot.
The Brexit campaigners are destructive and deluded; and they are, for the most part, being manipulated by individuals with a deeply unpleasant agenda.
That agenda has nothing to do with free trade: as you say, the UK needs the EU more than the EU needs us, and we will never get a better trade deal than we've got as EU members - not for European trade, not for transatlantic trade, and definitely not for China, no matter how much of their money we launder in the British Virgin Islands.
None. I have no automatic entitlement to any citizenship other than British - much to everyone's surprise (apparently not being white and not having another passport is really hard for people to wrap their heads around).
I don't think it's at all likely that we will be leaving the EU. I don't have any interest in exercising my right to free movement within the EU so I don't see any reason why I should make elaborate plans to retain a right I don't intend to use. I work for the civil service and so there is no immediate threat to my job. It would be a long process anyway so plenty of time to think about this again, if things turned out very badly - I could probably get American citizenship fairly straightforwardly but only if I moved there, which I don't want to do.
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I’m entitled to an Irish passport, as is my wife, and we will continue to have free movement of people across the land frontier, as we have done since partition (and, indeed, by ferry or aeroplane)
I honestly think though that Brexit campaigners are guilty of severe and unmerited optimism. We need the EU more than the EU needs us.
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The Brexit campaigners are destructive and deluded; and they are, for the most part, being manipulated by individuals with a deeply unpleasant agenda.
That agenda has nothing to do with free trade: as you say, the UK needs the EU more than the EU needs us, and we will never get a better trade deal than we've got as EU members - not for European trade, not for transatlantic trade, and definitely not for China, no matter how much of their money we launder in the British Virgin Islands.
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I don't think it's at all likely that we will be leaving the EU. I don't have any interest in exercising my right to free movement within the EU so I don't see any reason why I should make elaborate plans to retain a right I don't intend to use. I work for the civil service and so there is no immediate threat to my job. It would be a long process anyway so plenty of time to think about this again, if things turned out very badly - I could probably get American citizenship fairly straightforwardly but only if I moved there, which I don't want to do.
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