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HBP: Chapter Thirty

Jun 25, 2005 22:06

Warning: Do not post any comments here if you have read beyond chapter 30 of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.

This is the discussion post for Chapter 30 of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince (and for all chapters prior to chapter 30). SPOILERS are expected to be contained in these comments for all of these chapters--though not for ( Read more... )

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achilles_troy July 16 2005, 07:59:17 UTC

i just wanna know about the snape situation, why did he do it? what made him do it? Etc...

jocondite July 16 2005, 08:33:21 UTC

R.A.B - everyone else certain that this is Regulus Black? Regulus Algernon Black, even, considering that was Sirius's wealthy uncle's name.

drakyndra July 16 2005, 08:39:34 UTC

*Joins the RAB is Regulus club*

Dunno about Algernon, but otherwise I am certain.

jocondite July 16 2005, 08:46:50 UTC

The Algernon is complete supposition. :)

drakyndra July 16 2005, 08:48:23 UTC

Anything is possible.

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karo_kerol July 16 2005, 09:49:17 UTC

Can anyone send me scan of ch.28-30, please. vlad77@yandex.ru
Or may I beg you to give another spoiler? What happened with Snape after he killed Albus?

Odd theory on why Snape did what he did afheather July 16 2005, 10:01:34 UTC

Okay, we know that Snape was bound in one of the first chapters to Narcissa. Maybe he was trying to protect Malfoy from becoming a Death Eater and doing what Dumbledore had suggested to Malfoy in the tower. Malfoy and his mother would be hidden away and protected from Lord Voldemort because he thought they were dead. Snape, not really having much to lose, took the bond, even though he knew Malfoy couldn't kill Dumbledore and he would have to in order to save Draco from becoming Voldemorts right hand man. If you couldn't follow that, sorry, Snape still a good guy in that he wants to defeat Voldemort, but he knew that Dumbledore would be killed, if not by Malfoy, by someone else. He took the bond so that Malfoy and his mother would be protected while he did the actual deed.

RAB- Most definitely Regulus (Algernon) Black

Re: Odd theory on why Snape did what he did solamenteluna July 16 2005, 11:10:14 UTC

RAB is totally Regulus Black.
p.106: Lupin talking about Karakroff:
"...I'm surprised he stayed alive for even a year after deserting the Death Eaters; Sirius's brother, Regulus, only managed a few days as far as I can remember."

So we know now that Regulus deserted the Death Eaters and was killed by them for it.

Isn't there something Sirius says in OOTP about that?

I'm gonna go check! I'm too worked up from reading the whole thing in 6 hours to go to sleep...

Re: Odd theory on why Snape did what he did solamenteluna July 16 2005, 11:15:46 UTC

Yep, page 112 in the US version of OOTP (CHap 6).
Sirius talks about how he understands the situation to be that Regulus was an idiot who chickened out once he found out what Voldie wanted him to do... but what if Reg was really more virtuous or smart than that and found out about the horcruxes and tried to destroy them?
Well, theres some new fanfiction inspiration for ya!

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paradox01 July 16 2005, 21:16:28 UTC

Rabastan Black?

Isn't it Rabastan Lestrange and Regulus Black?

kylandra July 18 2005, 16:19:38 UTC

I don't know, I think a lot of this was because Draco *is* always getting bossed around. His dad seemed to ride him on not being perfect all the time, and he certainly gets beat up on enough throughout the books.

I think he needed to succeed at something for once, even if it was this, in order to get some self-confidence. I think Dumbledore knew that and that's why he was telling Draco that his plan was clever while also being up front about him not having what it takes to be a killer.

I am glad that he has Snape to look after him. Because yes, Draco is more sensitive than he'd like to be.

*warm and fuzzy about Draco character vindication*

__bingedrinking July 19 2005, 23:37:11 UTC

tom riddle was the only Slytherin known, you know except for Snape, that wouldn't let himself be bossed around. he would try to take command of others. and you're right about Draco being a coward. everyone expects Slytherins to be weaklings and not to live up to the whole 'ambitious and cunning' thing the Sorting Hat had claimed that that house was mostly like.

and i sincerely think Harry should go back to school. i mean come on it's HOGWARTS.

My Impressions I zedmeister July 16 2005, 10:51:03 UTC

This is basically my initial analysis, as posted in my LJ. I thought I'd put it up here as well, since I'd like to hear what you people here think ( ... )

Re: My Impressions I marginaliana July 16 2005, 13:26:29 UTC

I'm sorry, but I don't buy that. We've seen absolutely no hint of this in Harry before - he only 'discovers' these murderous urges in the course of the conversation itself. Either JKR has done a very sloppy job of building up to it, or Dumbledore is being even more manipulative than usual. I'm personally leaning towards the former; I love the series, but I'm aware that she's far from being the best writer in the world. I'd be curious to hear other people's takes on it, of course.My thoughts exactly! Had Harry not known about the prophecy, he probably would have been dedicated to being an Auror and helping the world through stopping the bad guys, etc., but I don't agree that he would have had a personal dedication to taking out Voldemort. He probably would have been just as happy to see Dumbledore do it. Personally, though, I think you're right - we're meant to see this as an inspiring speech that leaves Harry with a new sense of purpose. Unfortunately, I think it comes off as very manipulative, and pretty much jobes with the other ( ... )

Re: My Impressions I zedmeister July 16 2005, 23:26:58 UTC

I'd stick with well-meaning but still manipulative and plenty ready to scheme, use, abuse, etc in the aim of defeating Voldemort idea. I find myself having to agree with you on this, even though the "abuse" part is contrary to everything JKR wants us to believe about him. The problem is that with manipulative!Dumbledore interpretations of canon you can never be sure if you're reading way too much into things or if the author truly meant to hint at them. Then again, that goes for most HP meta, sigh.

Re: My Impressions I swishnflick July 17 2005, 19:54:03 UTC

I don't know...we saw how Harry was when he "found out" that Sirius was responsible for the Potters deaths. Part of that was because he was their friend. But nonetheless, we see his desire for revenge against an extremely dangerous foe, no matter the odds. Since then, he's gotten stronger and more committed to Dumbledore's side. After everything Voldemort's done since then...the deaths he's been responsible for...I can see Harry wanting to take Voldemort out himself.

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