*nudges* You did see that there are links at the bottom of the page to the next in the series about John, yeah? I'm not sure that was completely clear.
Yeah, poor Dean, trapped by his own mirror-image. *blink* Wait! WHAT? Hey there, Greek myth of Narcissus! *facepalm* I think I just brain-imploded myself.
1. Dean has an image of Sam that's never been realistic. He's never REALLY know his brother, rather he has projected this adult version of his baby bro unto the man he dragged away from Stanford. He never really stooped to think....is this what Sam wants?
2. Parts of Dean are still age 4. This guy was damaged from his mother's death. More than Sam could ever be. Dean is stuck at age 4 realiving the helplessness of loosing mommny
3. The relationship between the boys was never all that healthy to begin with.....they were together to find Dad..to find the demon...to end the apolcolypse...never just to be friends!
4. They are all too like a couple who is going through the motions, but who really is no longer in love. :(
They need to re define themselves or risk extiction. In many ways they are like the 1980's hair band...they must reinvent and continue..or they become....a joke...they die..they end. :(
*g* Love the reference to the 80's hair band. And I agree, what they've got going on now just isn't working for them. There's a lot of love there, but sometimes that's just not enough.
Like your ideas about Dean and the Boys relationship. Hmmmm.... thinking about what you said about Dean projecting this ideal onto Sam... like he's projected all the best and lost parts of himself onto Sam and tried to preserve them there since he's not able to hold onto them for himself. "Lilith's head on a plate" "I got this one, Sam." "Quit asking. Man, you don't wanna know." "That's my boy." vs. "Well, look at you. Love 'em and leave 'em." *HEADEXPLOSION*
In adult relationships, love is much more conditional.
Definitely. Inasmuch as we want to be loved for ourselves, warts and all, we often ignore the desire we have to change our loved ones into the mould of what we desire. I love your analogy that Dean provides a homeostatic feedback on the Winchester family state of health (are/were you a student of biology?); it is obvious that in the family, he is the one who provides the balancing of John and Sam, very much like the pancreas balancing the sugar level.
Will go to your other meta when I have time. I do like the way you think.
I am so looking forward to reading this. I've got it all into a single document along with your continued reading list...I love your meta's and this looks to just continue my enthusiasm for your theories.
It's always about the family and it's always what's drawn me to this show. The dymanic between these 3 people who were damaged and struggling.
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Looking forward to your next installments!
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*nudges* You did see that there are links at the bottom of the page to the next in the series about John, yeah? I'm not sure that was completely clear.
Yeah, poor Dean, trapped by his own mirror-image. *blink* Wait! WHAT? Hey there, Greek myth of Narcissus! *facepalm* I think I just brain-imploded myself.
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:::toddles off to acquire reading list materials:::
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Enjoy the reading.
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1. Dean has an image of Sam that's never been realistic. He's never REALLY know his brother, rather he has projected this adult version of his baby bro unto the man he dragged away from Stanford. He never really stooped to think....is this what Sam wants?
2. Parts of Dean are still age 4. This guy was damaged from his mother's death. More than Sam could ever be. Dean is stuck at age 4 realiving the helplessness of loosing mommny
3. The relationship between the boys was never all that healthy to begin with.....they were together to find Dad..to find the demon...to end the apolcolypse...never just to be friends!
4. They are all too like a couple who is going through the motions, but who really is no longer in love. :(
They need to re define themselves or risk extiction. In many ways they are like the 1980's hair band...they must reinvent and continue..or they become....a joke...they die..they end. :(
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Like your ideas about Dean and the Boys relationship. Hmmmm.... thinking about what you said about Dean projecting this ideal onto Sam... like he's projected all the best and lost parts of himself onto Sam and tried to preserve them there since he's not able to hold onto them for himself. "Lilith's head on a plate" "I got this one, Sam." "Quit asking. Man, you don't wanna know." "That's my boy." vs. "Well, look at you. Love 'em and leave 'em." *HEADEXPLOSION*
Phew. Yeah. Gotta quit reading you's guys' thoughts. Don't think I'll survive the process. XD
Yeah. Definitely gotta expand on that dynamic when I write up my thoughts on Dean. Heeehheheeeheheh *rubs hands wickedly*
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Definitely. Inasmuch as we want to be loved for ourselves, warts and all, we often ignore the desire we have to change our loved ones into the mould of what we desire. I love your analogy that Dean provides a homeostatic feedback on the Winchester family state of health (are/were you a student of biology?); it is obvious that in the family, he is the one who provides the balancing of John and Sam, very much like the pancreas balancing the sugar level.
Will go to your other meta when I have time. I do like the way you think.
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Uhm, I'm more a student of the softer sciences, the ones that co-opted cybernetics and general systems theories for their own uses. ;)
And, yeah, Dean sure does nudge those two back onto some reasonable semblance of balance when they go off.
Thanks Labseraph... which, if I'm breaking it down right, means basically Lab-Angel? :D
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It's always about the family and it's always what's drawn me to this show. The dymanic between these 3 people who were damaged and struggling.
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It's always about the family and it's always what's drawn me to this show. The dymanic between these 3 people who were damaged and struggling.
I really like that aspect of the show, too. Each one struggles to do the best he can.
Hope you enjoy your reading.
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