Thank you so much for this series. It's been an incredible read. I'm hoping that tonight we do see the boys take at least a first step towards reconstructing their relationship on new terms.
Hmmmm... It looks like Bobby did a little butt kicking and Dean broke his role conflict, if just a little. I'm really looking forward to seeing what the implications of Sam's choices are for their relationship.
Wow. Just... Wow. You make the show sound so intelligent and deeply thought out. And... yes, thank you for pointing out that Sam's pride is just a front for his own sense of poor self-worth. I seems like a lot of people are just focusing on the surface there and that's... painful. I am sad to hear this is the end of the series. I hope you still intend to write more meta - it's fascinating. I'm gonna go back and reread all this from the beginning. Thank you!!!
You make the show sound so intelligent and deeply thought out.
Hey Varkelton.
Hmmm, my take on it is that there are many ways of knowing the world, some of which involve describing what is seen and some of which involve showing what is seen. In these kinds of analyses, we're describing what we know, but in art we're showing what we know. Each way of knowing the world has its own language and expertise, and accumulation of depth of knowledge with the development of the person doing it. Many different ways of coming at the same truth. I think, then, that the SPN writing staff (or for that matter, fanfic writers) have sharpened their craft to the degree that they capture the human experience as storytellers - which has just as much truth to tell as any other way of understanding the world as being able to articulate the whys and wherefores behind what makes the story a human experience.
Hmmm... not sure I explained that well. *is tired* I hope I made sense.
I hope you still intend to write more metaDunno. With that kind
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This is brilliant insight, the best analysis of the Winchesters I've come across. I've discovered your metas late and plan to read all the others. Thank you for this. It gets dishearthening when some just see the surface, their actions and outword projections and judge them by that alone. There is so much more going on beneath. This is fair and says so beautifully what I believe about the Winchesters but never could find the words to express. Thanks again.
Thanks for the kind words, ShadoPath. It was fun to get down and dirty and really think about the implications of how John set his sons on their path.
And I agree with you about being disheartened, sometimes. I think it was the Sam v Dean wank that prompted this whole meta. It made me sit back and ask myself what I thought was going on, pinning down my beliefs into specifics.
This was absolutely brilliant and should be required reading for all fans who want to blame one brother or the other for all the world's (or Show's) evils. It gave me new insights into the boys, especially Sam. I'm pretty open to seeing both brothers' flaws and strengths and yet even I've been struggling to find a way to reconcile Sam's actions this season with what he *should have known* to be the right thing to do, the things that would have made Dean's sacrifice worthwhile. You nailed it. I can let go of that struggle now and see the story and the roles they play without prejudice. We really do replay our childhood roles forever until we have the strength to question them and the will and persistence to try to change them. Anytime somebody starts a rant about how one brother is better/more right/less wrong than the other I will point them to this meta. Now I have to go back and read the ones I haven't read yet. Thank you.
I'm pretty open to seeing both brothers' flaws and strengths and yet even I've been struggling to find a way to reconcile Sam's actions this season with what he *should have known* to be the right thing to do
Yeah, I agree, it was tough. I don't think it was until After School Special that I was finally able to start putting my thoughts about Sam's journey into specifics.
Anytime somebody starts a rant about how one brother is better/more right/less wrong than the other I will point them to this meta.
Good! I tried make the analyses as balanced as I could, so that's quite the compliment, then. *g*
I have to admit I was kind of hoping, for Sam's sake, that he was right in that he could use his powers to some good end, but such was not to be, eh? I'm looking forward to seeing Sam's journey in season 5 all though more, though.
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Hey Varkelton.
Hmmm, my take on it is that there are many ways of knowing the world, some of which involve describing what is seen and some of which involve showing what is seen. In these kinds of analyses, we're describing what we know, but in art we're showing what we know. Each way of knowing the world has its own language and expertise, and accumulation of depth of knowledge with the development of the person doing it. Many different ways of coming at the same truth. I think, then, that the SPN writing staff (or for that matter, fanfic writers) have sharpened their craft to the degree that they capture the human experience as storytellers - which has just as much truth to tell as any other way of understanding the world as being able to articulate the whys and wherefores behind what makes the story a human experience.
Hmmm... not sure I explained that well. *is tired* I hope I made sense.
I hope you still intend to write more metaDunno. With that kind ( ... )
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Thank you for this. It gets dishearthening when some just see the surface, their actions and outword projections and judge them by that alone. There is so much more going on beneath. This is fair and says so beautifully what I believe about the Winchesters but never could find the words to express.
Thanks again.
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And I agree with you about being disheartened, sometimes. I think it was the Sam v Dean wank that prompted this whole meta. It made me sit back and ask myself what I thought was going on, pinning down my beliefs into specifics.
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Yeah, I agree, it was tough. I don't think it was until After School Special that I was finally able to start putting my thoughts about Sam's journey into specifics.
Anytime somebody starts a rant about how one brother is better/more right/less wrong than the other I will point them to this meta.
Good! I tried make the analyses as balanced as I could, so that's quite the compliment, then. *g*
I have to admit I was kind of hoping, for Sam's sake, that he was right in that he could use his powers to some good end, but such was not to be, eh? I'm looking forward to seeing Sam's journey in season 5 all though more, though.
You're welcome.
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