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From LadyMaidMarian's LJ:
That's where most of this hatred started. When an H/Ger spoke it was GT speaking, but when an H/Her spoke it WASN'T FA speaking. Why is that?Perhaps it's because FA is ( Read more... )
From LadyMaidMarian's LJ:
That's where most of this hatred started. When an H/Ger spoke it was GT speaking, but when an H/Her spoke it WASN'T FA speaking. Why is that?Perhaps it's because FA is ( Read more... )
The *hatred*, as Marian calls it, did *not* start from *any* members of FA's mod squad, and it certainly didn't come from any of the H/Hr shippers on FA's mod squad!
What is she going on about?
I don't know Marian, and I don't know what she's going on about, but I suspect she's referring to the "new hatred," not the old hatred. In which case she would mean msscribe, who certainly is an FA mod (and an H/H shipper). And if she's talking about the "old hatred," perhaps she perceives it as coming from Cassandraclaire, who was in fact an FA mod (and a H/H shipper) at the time the hatred began. Cassie may have been the victim of a crime, but she did, indeed, "start" it.
Look, I have made it very clear that I am sick to death of the feuding. I have asked people to tell me what bad stuff they've heard about me, and they have not, as yet, done so. I am perfectly happy to mend walls, to peacefully coexist, etc., but I cannot do it by speaking into a vaccuum. When nobody responds, no dialogue ( ... )
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And if she's talking about the "old hatred," perhaps she perceives it as coming from Cassandraclaire, who was in fact an FA mod (and a H/H shipper) at the time the hatred began. Cassie may have been the victim of a crime, but she did, indeed, "start" it.SHe *started it*? She *started it*? So shocking, I had to ask it twice, because I didn't believe my eyes when I read it the first time. How did she *start it*? By saying she was personally squicked by teen pregnancy fics, including Imogen's? Or by going to lunch with Arabella and GinnyPotter when I wasn't able to join them in NYC in the fall of 2001, because I was too upset to travel in those few weeks after 9/11? Which particular thing started it ( ... )
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Those former GTers (all of them) have been the target of HUNDREDS of scornful and often cruel LJ and Fandom Wank posts -- a good number of them from you, personally.
Actually, I rarely post on F_W at all. I can't say never, as I did post pretty extensively the HPBNFDeathmatch and fandom_scruples wanks, as well as the one last year about the DEATHMATCH thread name and a few other small things, but I haven't posted extensively on F_W, much less about the ex-GT admins. I just did a quick scan through last fall's F_W posts about the site's implosion and found no posts from me on any of those topics, for example.
Now, that's not to say I never posted anything in response to posts from any ex-GT mod-or-user - I did post a reply in my own LJ to kvader because he didn't unscreen my reply in *his* LJ (much as Marian didn't unscreen me last week). But, really, it was a factual reply, meant to clear up some misinformation. I'm not peaceful enough to always just sit when I see someone saying something inaccurate, especially where I have accurate information at ( ... )
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"Sporkify" Fandom Wanks them all the time. They think, and I believe they are right in thinking this, that "Sporkify" is, indeed, an FA Mod.They *think* this? Why ( ... )
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Heidi, I did not mean to suggest that Cassandra Claire in any way deserved to be stalked or receive threatening letters, or whatever else was done to her. I have never in my life spoken to Imogen or Chryslin, and no one from GT has ever told me anything about that time period. My opinion is derived strictly from what I observed on public message boards at that time - specifically on FAP and CC's and others' Live Journals.
Try to imagine it from a random GTer's point of view. They are bopping merrily along, writing H/G fics and having no contact with Cassandra Claire (whatever they might have thought of her). Suddenly, this very prominent fandom personality starts posting scathing remarks about one of their members' fics - repeated, very sharp criticisms. I saw several such posts, and they did tend to attack more than just the specific fic and its pregnancy plot, they attacked the entire H/G ship. I recall pithy phrases such as "bloated love boat," and I ( ... )
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No, wasn't me. Was this another thing from last May/June?
Yes. The whole mscribe/clarabella thing/fermatojam/pottersginny. They perceived Praetorianguard's post (and their perception of your approval of it) as an accusation of lying. Because, of course, a truthful accusation cannot be libel! Many, many people, on those threads and elsewhere, mentioned the possibility (or downright accused them) of manipulating the screenshots to frame msscribe.
Actually, msscribe didn't accuse anyone in particular.
As I recall, she didn't, but everyone knew whom she meant, it was widely discussed, and many people seemed to believe it. That widespread perception is mentioned above on this thread by Ataniell.
But then again, I don't take F_W too seriously.Well, I take it a little more seriously than you do. I've been wanked a couple of times, and I shrugged it off (as I'm sure you do), but some people - especially people who aren't used to the rough give and ( ... )
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You know, I SAID that you can stop the feuding, but I don't know if you can. I believe that you have a better chance than anybody, though. I have NO IDEA what Imogen may or may not have told people -- I've never heard anything about you from them. But the former-GTers I know are very bitter, and they honestly think that you and your friends and associates utterly despise them. You missed some BAD SHIT when you were out doing much more important things last year.
Every time someone uses the terms "crazy" or "insane" or "stupid" or "sickening" to describe a *group* (as versus an individual, where such description is based on firsthand observations or actual interactions), ( ... )
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I know. And I have tried a few times to talk with Arabella about it, but she's not replying to me, so I feel like I'm talking into the air. Sigh.
Most of the former GTers tend to be the type to suffer distress when wanked, especially because it is pretty much the ONLY way the fandom interacts with them.
But that's because they keep saying that they don't WANT to be a part of the fandom! When we started with Nimbus, I asked them if they wanted to host a banner, or have a thread where we could post the CFP and encourage presentations and stuff, and they said no. They lock their LJs to posts from anyone who isn't on their friends list. They used to ban people from posting on their site. They kicked Irina off completely. There's only so many times that people (read: the rest of the fandom) can get kicked before you really give up trying to extend a hand of ( ... )
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I did not post anywhere about this in the last week or May or the first week of June. I was huge, I was moving, I could hardly sit at a computer and as of June 1, I was in the hospital until the 4th. So no, not me.
But there are some very important reasons why they were not believed - in large part because (as I rereada lot of things in the last 10 days) they were claiming that Fermatojam did not exist. However, msscribe had a police report regarding his harrassment of her, and furthermore, had been in contact with his college (who were his ISP) about their disciplining him. And that resonated with a number of people who had, a year before, been involved in reporting Sinead, who'd been involved in the deletion of the HPfGU lists, to her university, and the process ( ... )
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I think that they hoped that people like you would examine the evidence they offered and compare it with your own IP records, from your website and your LJ's, to see if it was credible. Instead, they were, as they saw it, threatened with a libel suit by FA administrators.
See above re the evidence; I'm not sure how much examining they thought I could do at that point, seriously, btw. And Amy's post was very clearly made on her own behalf, not on behalf of FA. What did they expect, a suit from *FA*? On what grounds? It's just such a leap of logic from Amy's analysis to "FA is threatening to sue us."
Now, I was not getting Help Desk emails at the time, and we dont' archive that far back, so I don't know if Carissa's claim that she was going to email FA about this is actually true, or if she decided not to do so. All I know is, I didn't see or answer anything, but I trust Simon to have looked at the IP info and zorac's analysis, and drawn the reasonable conclusions.
A day or two later, the person they believed was responsible for ( ... )
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