Rewatch S6: ...And Then There Were None (6.16)

[hells_half_acre]

So, in the style of Supernatural, we go from a super funny episode to a super depressing one.
The upshot is that this should be a fairly easy clothing episode, since it's so contained.
Don't get me wrong though, the contained-incident is one of favourite plot thingies (I'm so coherent today), it's just a little hard to watch, because it's so INTENSE.

Comments

[galwithglasses]

Going back to this episode after learning what Cas was doing and seeing the frame of mind that Dean is in (and has been for a long time) makes me wonder if Dean will be able to forgive Cas at some point. More importantly though, I wonder if he will ever forgive himself. I'm glad this is one of the threads they kept running into this season.

By this point in the season, I was pretty glad to be done with the whole Campbell crew. I was pretty bummed about Rufus though.

[percysowner]

I think Dean might eventually be able to forgive Castiel, but as of now Castiel hasn't really apologized for what he did, he just apologized for it not working out. If Cas admitted all his mistakes (including letting Sam out of the panic room) Dean might forgive him in time. The wild card here is that Castiel deliberately hurt Sam several times and Sam is one thing that Dean is totally protective of, so that might stand in the way.

[hells_half_acre]

I beg to differ.

1)I feel Castiel apologized for letting Sam out of the panic room through action, he doesn't need words. I know, it wasn't the greatest apology, and he still gave Sam a hard time about starting the apocalypse, but I think at this point - they've all forgiven each other for that.

2)Castiel did apologize for hurting Sam, saying that if he could, he would fix him again. I also think his apology was for what he did itself, and not just because it didn't work out. Dean just wasn't in a place to forgive him yet - it takes a bit, even really good apologies take a bit.

I think deep down Dean did forgive Cas...and still loves him. Which is why he's still upset over his death. Furthermore, I think, given that Dean views Castiel as a child - that Dean blames himself more than anything for not being able to 'parent' Cas properly.

But that's just what I think at the moment...it really depends where the episodes go from here.

[hells_half_acre]

By this point in the season, I was pretty glad to be done with the whole Campbell crew. I was pretty bummed about Rufus though.

Yeah, me too.

I think Dean has forgiven Cas already - but I'm not so sure he'll ever be able to forgive himself. As I say below, Dean viewing Cas as a child, means that Dean subconsciously takes on more responsibility for Cas' actions - because Dean is the one who is the 'parent'...and when most kids screw up, parents say "where did I go wrong?" rather than "I'll never forgive that stupid kid."

[franztastisch]

Aw man, I loved this episode. Just... everything about it was great. But why kill off Rufus?? Whyyyyy? :(

[hells_half_acre]

I know! It is super sad and kind of a senseless sudden death...but I think that's the point. I also wonder if they were already setting up S7.

[franztastisch]

Why would killing Rufus be a season 7 set up? Or is this a silly question?

[hells_half_acre]

Well, time will tell...but I'm pretty sure in S7 the goal is to take away everything they've ever relied upon and narrow down their world so much that they basically only have each other. So, killing off helpful-hunters would fit that theme.

Or, I'm reading way too much into it, and it was just an excuse to have some Bobby angst.

[katsheswims]

"and Sam and Dean don't die in the series finale.." Oh, no!! Don't make me think of the inevitable tragic ending! (Though personally I think leaving one brother alive and the other dead-or them separated permanently or otherwise would be the sadder ending.)

I also loved the trechcoats of this episode. Maybe they made them wear them in this episode to give another old noir feel to this episode in particular? Make all four of them identifiable as old time detectives.

[hells_half_acre]

Yeah, the only "happy" endings for this show are either that somehow Sam and Dean live forever - or they both die. :P

I think you are right about the tenchcoats - it certainly does give it a more old noir quality.

[hells_half_acre]

She really had potential in being one of the ultimate big bads. The Mother is really evil and sadistic, but yet caring and loving at the same time? Perfect! But no. As we now know, her time is short lived which I also believe was yet another mistake of S6.

See, this is why I like her as the red herring. Because she HAD so much potential and we all saw it - which was why we didn't see that she was just a distraction to what was really going on. She was never meant to be a big bad, which I think is kind of cool...personally, but I DO recognize that because of that same potential, there are swathes of people who don't agree with me.

While the idea of having female monsters is not so foreign, sometimes SPN's pattern of killing off every.single.female.character is annoying as fuck. Yeah, Lisa's alive, but no one liked her anyway so we don't count her. I would really appreciate some female influence on the boys, good or bad. Meg is still alive, so that's a plus one there. I just think it would heat things up a llittle, give it some

[hells_half_acre]

I think men today are a lot different than they were back then, even the douchebags, because of the predominating female influence.

Yes, I think so too, thank goodness.

If you have Netflix, look up that documentary. It's on Instant Viewing. Another good one, if you like horror movies (which I assume you do since you like SPN, lol) is "Nightmares in Red, White, and Blue." It's about the evolution of the American horror film industry and at first, I thought it'd be kinda boring but oh no. It's awesome.

Sadly, I don't have netflix, but I do have a pretty good video rental place near me (I know, so 2000s, eh?) so I'll look for it there. I actually can't watch horror movies (Supernatural is my one exception...well, Supernatural and Shaun of the Dead), but I love documentaries, so I would probably still watch a documentary about horror movies. I just get scared so damn easily. Even Supernatural, I have to watch through my fingers sometimes. :P

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