Okay, time for them to finally come back to the storyline that I had been wanting since 7x02...
Oddly enough, I didn't take many initial notes as I watched this (ie: transcribed less dialogue), so we'll see how long this ends up being after I go through and remember what I wanted to say...
WARNING: I discuss rape.
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He said shut-up to me! )
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Sadly, it makes the eps where they go off the rails even harder to accept.
You missed my 'hole big enough to drive a truck through' moment, though--who drew the devil's trap on the ceiling that the demon got caught in? I don't see there being enough time for Sam to do it (much less how he'd reach the ceiling there--he's tall, but I don't think THAT tall) and it was pretty exposed to the main room, so???
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And it's true, Dean has been torturing since S1 really. I'd argue that the capacity for torture is actually always been part of ALL of us, but then, I've read some very good books on the subject. :P Dean's actually a great example of how it happens...just a slow immersion into a life where torture is how you get stuff done. Actually, I'd argue that Hell had actually made Dean slight "kinder" for a time, because it tipped him off the other side where he couldn't justify his actions anymore.
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it just makes me think of 8.2 and Dean's attitude now towards the possessed. He's lost sight of their humanity, or at least, he's stopped letting the possibility of any remaining humanity in there, hinder him from his objective. Seeing victims of possession come out very traumatized, or sometimes dead -- or sometimes crazy -- might have some bearing on Dean's utilitarian attitude. He seems to think "they're probably already dead, or scarred for life..." I also remember how the human Meg berated them for not saving her. I think Dean has reached a point where he's just like -- dispatch the demon, and it's kind of become a mercy killing in terms of the human. Which, still really bothers me!!! because Dean needs to be about saving people. He is so messed up now.
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Very good point. And yes, Dean IS very messed up now... and I'm sure events like this in the past don't help his attitudes towards the possessed. There's a drive in Dean to get the job done as quick as possible in S8, and sadly that means more killing and less saving. Which, is slightly understandable given the fact that Dean just came from a place where there was no one to save and everyone to kill. But yeah, he definitely needs to reminded of the "saving people" part of the family business. Though, personally, I'd have killed Kevin's mom to kill Crowley too... but I may in fact have questionable moral character. :P
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And it's true, Dean is Sam's weak spot - and everyone knows it, including the part of Sam's brain that is breaking completely under the strain of all those hell memories. :(
One day, I'm going to write a movie where someone walks into a creepy room and says "hello" and the monster steps out and is like, "oh, um, this is embarrassing, but I was all set to kill you, but then you said hello and you sound quite pleasant, so maybe...well, would you like to have a chat instead? Maybe watch some Battlestar Gallactica? I just got the bluray..."
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Too funny.
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It's a very good episode! You can tell, because there's something for everyone. I just saw someone on tumblr analyze it as though it were an episode purely about Dean/Castiel - which, obviously, wasn't my interpretation of it; but I think that's what makes good writing - when there's more than one way to skin the fish at the end of the day.
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