.11 [Video]

Sep 25, 2011 15:34

[Bertie's been reading bad pulp fiction. The title on the spine of one of the books near him is "The Haunting of the Queen Mary." Another is "Ghosts of the Titanic."]What ho, my fellow passengers ( Read more... )

deeeeep thoughts, protected by the bubble of obliviousness, mentally negligible

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Video: rayney_day September 25 2011, 20:48:59 UTC
Are the mirrors telling people to do stuff, again...?

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Video: helpmejeeves September 25 2011, 20:58:57 UTC
That's...happened?

Excuse me, miss.

[And Bertie runs off, leaving his video still on, to go cover his large standing mirror with a sheet. Because surely thin fabric can prevent talking.]

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Re: Video: rayney_day September 25 2011, 21:00:43 UTC
[Been here so long... This behaviour is not alarming.]

So... Not, then? Well, that's a relief...

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iam_aghost September 25 2011, 20:49:28 UTC
I don't think so. I think... once you're a ghost, you are stuck as one. Death is just like starting the loop all over again.

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helpmejeeves September 25 2011, 21:01:39 UTC
But does that mean that everyone who has died on the ship is a ghost now? Even though they came back? Did they just come back as highly corporeal ghosts?

Or, even having died, did they never become ghosts in the first place?

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iam_aghost September 25 2011, 21:02:27 UTC
I think that rather depends on how you define a ghost.

What do you think makes someone a ghost?

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helpmejeeves September 25 2011, 21:10:01 UTC
Well, being dead is, I think, a large part of it. Although that definition alone would also include all number of non-ghost states, including being simply dead and buried.

I suppose traditionally they are the disembodied souls of the deceased. Except for the Holy Ghost, of course, who was never rightly alive, I think. So the Holy Ghost is disembodied without being deceased. Which means being dead isn't necessarily part of the criteria at all.

[Bertie frowns. This is getting quite confusing.]

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justareverie September 25 2011, 22:56:17 UTC
[ pause stare. ]

... If you have died here, how don't you know? ...Were you a ghost?

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helpmejeeves September 26 2011, 05:00:19 UTC
That's the problem, you see. I could be a ghost right now and not know it. Stories abound of ghosts who aren't aware of their fate.

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justareverie September 26 2011, 23:45:37 UTC
I don't know if you'd be unaware of it. I mean, people wouldn't hear you? You sound pretty alive to me.

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19centconstable September 25 2011, 23:21:25 UTC
I've suggested that the Barge might be haunted before, but I was told that was silly.

And that ghosts aren't interested in looking at people without their trousers. But I'm not convinced.

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helpmejeeves September 26 2011, 05:03:23 UTC
I'm beginning to suspect that the Admiral is a ghost. That would certainly explain why we never see him, but only hear his disembodied voice. Most of the crew could be ghosts, too. Ghosts who keep the bits of the ship we can't see running at ship-shape.

Although...I honestly can't think of a single soul who, while alive, was interested in looking at people without their trousers. [Because Bertie leads a VERY SHELTERED LIFE.] So I can't imagine why a ghost would.

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19centconstable September 26 2011, 05:14:30 UTC
But how could a ghost steer? Their hands would go right through the wheel. ...Perhaps this does actually explain things.

...Really?

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helpmejeeves September 26 2011, 21:38:04 UTC
The Admiral is a bit of a rubbish pilot. Even if he is a ghost. Or, as you say, perhaps because he is a ghost.

Really and truly. Indeed for certain people, even the very idea of them without their trousers makes me want to take a stiff drink.

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darknessb4me September 26 2011, 05:46:04 UTC
Ghosts don't have ghosts. No one becomes a ghost here. If you kill a ghost, it vanishes or goes to an afterlife. And if a ghost's body were to be brought back, the ghost-self would simply become the living-self. Alright?

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helpmejeeves September 26 2011, 21:44:42 UTC
Oh.

...

Might there be ghosts of souls who were here before we arrived?

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darknessb4me September 27 2011, 00:33:34 UTC
Half the people on the ship are dead and aren't ghosts, what would be special about those ones?

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