3x23 "1961"
You guys really brought the funny this week! I couldn't help but quote some of you multiple times.
I normally break them up into smaller character groups, but everyone was pretty intertwined this week.
Continuity (or the lack thereof)
I think it's rather endearing that Heroes seems to have only one set for all cafés and diners and they half-heartedly move the furniture around in the hope that it'll look like a different place.
redscharlach
Angela: "how do you think the Company was formed?" /deleted scene Peter rises his hands and says: "Adam told me he did it" Nathan rises hands and says: "Bob told me Adam Monroe found you and convinced you to work together to make the world a be better place for your children... " HRG rises his hand and says: "I've read you file (I'm such a nosey parker, I've read everyone's files!) and I know Arthur and Linderman met in Vietnam and then went to found the others and then ... Angela: SHUT UP! Don't let our viewers be confused!!!! we founded the company when we was 16, Charles had a mix of Parkman and Eden's power, I'm saying Bob was there so we could justify how 4 kids got enough money to found the Company, and Lindermann... he has a crush on me like everyone else, so in Volume 5 we could easily retcon the backstory more and made him my sons father instead of Arthur and SEASON 2 and the WEBCOMIC NEVER HAPPENS!!!! Am I Clear? The 3 men look at each other and... "Yes, ma'am! " /end of deleted scene
di_elle
Yay for Heroes remembering that Angela stole socks in the first season. That's great. Let's make a list of the OTHER things from previous seasons it could have remembered: - That Adam was the one who found them all and made them into the Company. - That Chandra was still looking for "specials" and not believed by anyone when he went to New York late in life to track them down. - What Bob Bishop told Nathan about there nearly being a typhoon off Florida and saying it had something to do with the Company. - That ONCE YOU INVOKE GODWIN'S LAW YOU'VE JUMPED THE PROVERBIAL SHARK, HEROES fajkldfjkl;aflj; ::mad::
tiptoe39
The company was formed here? I thought it was formed through the sexy hands of Adam Monroe, remember him? Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who does...ilikethequiet
So if the government started rounding up specials in 1961 (you cannot convince me that all those armed men and their guns & ammo were paid for by a university grant) and it all went horribly awry in a mass murder kind of way, why did the program to round up specials not turn into a national witch hunt? Even if every single person at Coyote Sands died (which they didn't because there are at least six survivors we know of), there'd still be some offsite office up the chain of command that would know what happened. If a bunch of teenagers needed to be shot down like that, there's no way the military would just shrug it off and forget about the whole thing for 50 years. No matter how hard the Company tried to hide the existence of specials, the cat was already out of the bag. And how did the parents react? They sent their kids to Coyote Sands to be cured and never got them back, since the bodies were all buried in unmarked graves there. Didn't the parents find that a little odd? Did they at some point turn to each other and say, "Honey? Didn't we used to have a kid?" What explanation were they given for their sudden lack of child(ren)?
the_other_sandy
I was genuinely happy with the feeling of this ep, which was the feeling of a giant, heavy ship sloooooooowly making a course correction :-) The ep might as well have been called: "We get it, Internet! We're trying!"nightcamedown
The Sock Sisters and Friends [Angela, Alice, Chandra, Charles, Daniel and "Bobby"]
Now we know about the secret (and rather moving) reason for Angela's sock-stealing fetish, will we ever find out why her nickname was Banana? Perhaps she was bright yellow until the age of 25, and we just couldn't tell because of the flattering monochrome flashbacks?
redscharlach
Also, Alice managed to keep nice eyebrows despite all. And Chandra had a gift: pissing off the wrong peoples with abilities.
schtroumph_c
Controlling the Weather ?!! Doesn't that just sound way too powerful ?!! and Way too Ridiculous ?!! and the lighting - Seriously ?! what's Next , Alice will wear tight leather suits and call herself "STORM " ?!!!
lemomina
Later on the Shaw girls (Alice & Angela) get approached by boys! The boys being Charles Deveaux *swooon*, Daniel Linderman *pokes him in the eye* and Bobby Bishop *dorkily cute*
ilikethequiet
Aww, Alice doesn't want to be here. She's obviously the smart sister.
ilikethequiet
Also turning Angela into the Bella Swan of the 1960's was kinda creepy even if I found the fact that Daniel got his hands on all the Petrelli's at some point amusing. I still think we didn't get a good look at Charles power, either that or the boy has some issues, which makes sense given the times he lived in.
godiloveslash
Random Zimmerman shout-out? So, I suppose when Angela said, "Let's erase everyone's memories of us and this place," she meant "Let's employ the bastard experimenting on us to experiment on more people, including my own son."
starvinbohemian
In the Girls Only Super Slumber Party Bunk House, Alice has a power too. She confesses that she can control the weather. She makes it snow to prove it. Angela says, "That's the last X-men ripoff you get. If Charles Deveaux turns out to have an adamantium skeleton, I am out of here."
brighteyed_jill
I know Alice went though something very traumatic, but to stay in that place for 50 years just because Angela told her to? Not great critical thinking skills. Angela also said she'd come right back, but she obviously didn't.
egoteprovoco
The Mafia and the Mo [Noah, Angela, Nathan, Peter, Claire and Mohinder]
Meanwhile, back in the present day, Claire makes the very salient point that no one ever reads books or watches films in Heroesworld. Presumably this is because, if they did, they would be a lot more competent at guessing upcoming plotlines.redscharlach
I loved that when they all meet up with him everyone were like "Mohinder's here, okay. Let's not ask him how he got here and what he is doing here, matter of fact, let's not even greet him."joulupuuro
Peter / Mohinder : " You are a good man Mohinder " or whatever the hell he said , i was expecting them to make out at any point in that scenelemomina
Oh man, the Petrelli brothers at the café. Peter’s expression when Nathan comes in: “One, I beat you here. Two, my hair gel is FABULOUS because my coif is neatly in place and you’re stuck with flight!hair.”
jaune_chat
Hmm… while I’m glad Mohinder is sharing info, perhaps he shouldn’t have been showing Noah a file during a windstorm. Just saying.
jaune_chat
Noah justifies his own moral grayness while Mohinder gets righteous. Get off your high horse MoMo; I do seem to recall you turning yourself into a bug.
jaune_chat
Hee! Peter suggests they split up to look for Angela. Noah INSTANTLY reminds everyone that would be a fucking stupid idea, particularly considering their precognitive dreamer just got swept off the map. Noah, Nathan, and Claire go off in one non-traditional family unit, while Peter and Mohinder reunite as the Angsting Twins. Little actual searching will get accomplished, but that’s ok. They’ll find Angela when the plot demands it.
jaune_chat
In good news, apparently Mohinder can survive a lightning strike. Therefore he’s available to angst over yet more answers that Peter finds for him. Have fun watching your Dharma Initiative training films MoMo!
jaune_chat
Peter calls this a family instead of a Company. Excellent, we’re starting the Heroes Mafia!
jaune_chat
Hee. HRG is digging, but Angela still hasn't picked up a shovel. I choose to pretend that she's making use of her badass skills to get out of working in the hot sun, and not, say, wracked with guilt and personal history.
aunt_zelda
Peter and Claire need to stop having so much chemistry together. It's icky. I know the actors are dating in RL, but if Ted and Sandra's actors (who are MARRIED in RL) could do it, so can these two!
aunt_zelda
Nathan sits down across from a very pretty Peter. Fangirls plaster themselves to the glass windows in frenzied attempts to get inside. They argue. Nathan wants them to work through their angst. Peter says he's trying to, which means that the writers are stalling.
aunt_zelda
Why isn't Peter more "MOM! WTF?!"ilikethequiet
Angela has been dreaming that her sister is alive and we've come to what? Make sure she's dead?ilikethequiet
So yes let's all walk out into the dust storm because it's the responsible thing to do.ilikethequiet
So there is randomly a cafe nearby the ghost town where you can stop for pie? Really?ilikethequiet
Nathan did not help his cause with the total lack of a sincere apology, since he seems to have decided that getting Peter Tasered and drugged and carted off for lifelong imprisonment wasn't really that big a deal and that Peter failing to forgive him would just be petty. The fact that every other member of Nathan's family except Peter got a free pass on the drugging and incarceration should certainly be nothing to hold a grudge about. Maybe Nathan should have just shoplifted some socks for Peter instead, because apparently sock theft is how Petrellis say 'I love you.'
the_other_sandy
Nathan must be really hurting for some familial love because he was sucking up to his mother big time this episode. Peter doesn't love him anymore, so suddenly it's all, "-I- understand, Mommy. -I- think you're totally right even though -Peter- doesn't. Come sit by -me-, Mommy, cause -I- still love you." Oh, Nathan. Never let it be said that your Daddy complex outweighs your Mommy complex.starvinbohemian
That was one hilarious exposition storm. Literally. My impression of HRG: I AM GOING TO YELL ALL THIS INFORMATION TO YOU FOR A LONG TIME EVEN THOUGH THE AUDIENCE HAS ALREADY HEARD IT AND THIS PRETTY MUCH VIOLATES THE RULES OF GOOD TELEVISION STORYTELLING!! You get all that, Mohinder?starvinbohemian
By the way, these people aren't doing a very good job of looking for Angela. Probably you could stick your head into a cabin, notice that there was nothing to hide behind, and move on. Instead, they seem to be walking through the camp going, "Is she under this piece of paper? No. How about behind this tumbleweed? No. Well, let's sit down and have some tea. Nothing that bad could possibly have happened to Angela." Aren't they worried that the others took he?
brighteyed_jill
Mohinder stares soulfully out into the desert. Alice's reaction hurt his feelings, you see. He thinks his father was a monster. Personally, I think he might want to be thinking more about the guy who injected himself with an unknown formula, started growing scales and webbing up drug dealers, and experimented on human subjects at Primatech. But maybe I'm judgmental.
brighteyed_jill
Peter found a film reel in an old office, and he gives it to Suresh. I think it's the orientation film for The Orchid. Mohinder isn’t ready to forgive himself, so he stays at Coyote Sands, and Peter goes off with his family.
brighteyed_jill
Then, at the very end of he episode, Peter made the declaration that they're stromger as a family! Awww, that's, like, Winchester 101! Great, next episode Angela's going to be ambushed by demons and returned to her family possessed.
egoteprovoco
The Dharma Initiative Coyote Sands
I'm sorry, I'm sure everyone else is saying it, but ... the barracks and abandoned swingset and mass grave is screaming 'DHARMA INITIATIVE!' to me. I'm sorry, but it had to be said.
aunt_zelda
We’re in black and white, in 1961. Namaste, everyone! It’s the Dahrma Initiative Coyote Sands Relocation Center.
brighteyed_jill
Sy Years Gone [Sylar...er...Nathan?]
Most mysterious of all, why does Angela smile when she sees Nathan!Sylar on TV? Is it simply that she's like me and ridiculously pleased to see the brain-fondling one whenever he crops up? Or has she been having Important Dreams (TM) about the series finale? Or are the fries really that good? All will surely be revealed in the next thrilling installment...
redscharlach
Sylar is replaying Five Year Gone, it became true, even the part "your brother was like that before I take his place".
schtroumph_c
I normally break them up into smaller character groups, but everyone was pretty intertwined this week.
Continuity (or the lack thereof)
I think it's rather endearing that Heroes seems to have only one set for all cafés and diners and they half-heartedly move the furniture around in the hope that it'll look like a different place.
redscharlach
Angela: "how do you think the Company was formed?" /deleted scene Peter rises his hands and says: "Adam told me he did it" Nathan rises hands and says: "Bob told me Adam Monroe found you and convinced you to work together to make the world a be better place for your children... " HRG rises his hand and says: "I've read you file (I'm such a nosey parker, I've read everyone's files!) and I know Arthur and Linderman met in Vietnam and then went to found the others and then ... Angela: SHUT UP! Don't let our viewers be confused!!!! we founded the company when we was 16, Charles had a mix of Parkman and Eden's power, I'm saying Bob was there so we could justify how 4 kids got enough money to found the Company, and Lindermann... he has a crush on me like everyone else, so in Volume 5 we could easily retcon the backstory more and made him my sons father instead of Arthur and SEASON 2 and the WEBCOMIC NEVER HAPPENS!!!! Am I Clear? The 3 men look at each other and... "Yes, ma'am! " /end of deleted scene
di_elle
Yay for Heroes remembering that Angela stole socks in the first season. That's great. Let's make a list of the OTHER things from previous seasons it could have remembered: - That Adam was the one who found them all and made them into the Company. - That Chandra was still looking for "specials" and not believed by anyone when he went to New York late in life to track them down. - What Bob Bishop told Nathan about there nearly being a typhoon off Florida and saying it had something to do with the Company. - That ONCE YOU INVOKE GODWIN'S LAW YOU'VE JUMPED THE PROVERBIAL SHARK, HEROES fajkldfjkl;aflj; ::mad::
tiptoe39
The company was formed here? I thought it was formed through the sexy hands of Adam Monroe, remember him? Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who does...ilikethequiet
So if the government started rounding up specials in 1961 (you cannot convince me that all those armed men and their guns & ammo were paid for by a university grant) and it all went horribly awry in a mass murder kind of way, why did the program to round up specials not turn into a national witch hunt? Even if every single person at Coyote Sands died (which they didn't because there are at least six survivors we know of), there'd still be some offsite office up the chain of command that would know what happened. If a bunch of teenagers needed to be shot down like that, there's no way the military would just shrug it off and forget about the whole thing for 50 years. No matter how hard the Company tried to hide the existence of specials, the cat was already out of the bag. And how did the parents react? They sent their kids to Coyote Sands to be cured and never got them back, since the bodies were all buried in unmarked graves there. Didn't the parents find that a little odd? Did they at some point turn to each other and say, "Honey? Didn't we used to have a kid?" What explanation were they given for their sudden lack of child(ren)?
the_other_sandy
I was genuinely happy with the feeling of this ep, which was the feeling of a giant, heavy ship sloooooooowly making a course correction :-) The ep might as well have been called: "We get it, Internet! We're trying!"nightcamedown
The Sock Sisters and Friends [Angela, Alice, Chandra, Charles, Daniel and "Bobby"]
Now we know about the secret (and rather moving) reason for Angela's sock-stealing fetish, will we ever find out why her nickname was Banana? Perhaps she was bright yellow until the age of 25, and we just couldn't tell because of the flattering monochrome flashbacks?
redscharlach
Also, Alice managed to keep nice eyebrows despite all. And Chandra had a gift: pissing off the wrong peoples with abilities.
schtroumph_c
Controlling the Weather ?!! Doesn't that just sound way too powerful ?!! and Way too Ridiculous ?!! and the lighting - Seriously ?! what's Next , Alice will wear tight leather suits and call herself "STORM " ?!!!
lemomina
Later on the Shaw girls (Alice & Angela) get approached by boys! The boys being Charles Deveaux *swooon*, Daniel Linderman *pokes him in the eye* and Bobby Bishop *dorkily cute*
ilikethequiet
Aww, Alice doesn't want to be here. She's obviously the smart sister.
ilikethequiet
Also turning Angela into the Bella Swan of the 1960's was kinda creepy even if I found the fact that Daniel got his hands on all the Petrelli's at some point amusing. I still think we didn't get a good look at Charles power, either that or the boy has some issues, which makes sense given the times he lived in.
godiloveslash
Random Zimmerman shout-out? So, I suppose when Angela said, "Let's erase everyone's memories of us and this place," she meant "Let's employ the bastard experimenting on us to experiment on more people, including my own son."
starvinbohemian
In the Girls Only Super Slumber Party Bunk House, Alice has a power too. She confesses that she can control the weather. She makes it snow to prove it. Angela says, "That's the last X-men ripoff you get. If Charles Deveaux turns out to have an adamantium skeleton, I am out of here."
brighteyed_jill
I know Alice went though something very traumatic, but to stay in that place for 50 years just because Angela told her to? Not great critical thinking skills. Angela also said she'd come right back, but she obviously didn't.
egoteprovoco
The Mafia and the Mo [Noah, Angela, Nathan, Peter, Claire and Mohinder]
Meanwhile, back in the present day, Claire makes the very salient point that no one ever reads books or watches films in Heroesworld. Presumably this is because, if they did, they would be a lot more competent at guessing upcoming plotlines.redscharlach
I loved that when they all meet up with him everyone were like "Mohinder's here, okay. Let's not ask him how he got here and what he is doing here, matter of fact, let's not even greet him."joulupuuro
Peter / Mohinder : " You are a good man Mohinder " or whatever the hell he said , i was expecting them to make out at any point in that scenelemomina
Oh man, the Petrelli brothers at the café. Peter’s expression when Nathan comes in: “One, I beat you here. Two, my hair gel is FABULOUS because my coif is neatly in place and you’re stuck with flight!hair.”
jaune_chat
Hmm… while I’m glad Mohinder is sharing info, perhaps he shouldn’t have been showing Noah a file during a windstorm. Just saying.
jaune_chat
Noah justifies his own moral grayness while Mohinder gets righteous. Get off your high horse MoMo; I do seem to recall you turning yourself into a bug.
jaune_chat
Hee! Peter suggests they split up to look for Angela. Noah INSTANTLY reminds everyone that would be a fucking stupid idea, particularly considering their precognitive dreamer just got swept off the map. Noah, Nathan, and Claire go off in one non-traditional family unit, while Peter and Mohinder reunite as the Angsting Twins. Little actual searching will get accomplished, but that’s ok. They’ll find Angela when the plot demands it.
jaune_chat
In good news, apparently Mohinder can survive a lightning strike. Therefore he’s available to angst over yet more answers that Peter finds for him. Have fun watching your Dharma Initiative training films MoMo!
jaune_chat
Peter calls this a family instead of a Company. Excellent, we’re starting the Heroes Mafia!
jaune_chat
Hee. HRG is digging, but Angela still hasn't picked up a shovel. I choose to pretend that she's making use of her badass skills to get out of working in the hot sun, and not, say, wracked with guilt and personal history.
aunt_zelda
Peter and Claire need to stop having so much chemistry together. It's icky. I know the actors are dating in RL, but if Ted and Sandra's actors (who are MARRIED in RL) could do it, so can these two!
aunt_zelda
Nathan sits down across from a very pretty Peter. Fangirls plaster themselves to the glass windows in frenzied attempts to get inside. They argue. Nathan wants them to work through their angst. Peter says he's trying to, which means that the writers are stalling.
aunt_zelda
Why isn't Peter more "MOM! WTF?!"ilikethequiet
Angela has been dreaming that her sister is alive and we've come to what? Make sure she's dead?ilikethequiet
So yes let's all walk out into the dust storm because it's the responsible thing to do.ilikethequiet
So there is randomly a cafe nearby the ghost town where you can stop for pie? Really?ilikethequiet
Nathan did not help his cause with the total lack of a sincere apology, since he seems to have decided that getting Peter Tasered and drugged and carted off for lifelong imprisonment wasn't really that big a deal and that Peter failing to forgive him would just be petty. The fact that every other member of Nathan's family except Peter got a free pass on the drugging and incarceration should certainly be nothing to hold a grudge about. Maybe Nathan should have just shoplifted some socks for Peter instead, because apparently sock theft is how Petrellis say 'I love you.'
the_other_sandy
Nathan must be really hurting for some familial love because he was sucking up to his mother big time this episode. Peter doesn't love him anymore, so suddenly it's all, "-I- understand, Mommy. -I- think you're totally right even though -Peter- doesn't. Come sit by -me-, Mommy, cause -I- still love you." Oh, Nathan. Never let it be said that your Daddy complex outweighs your Mommy complex.starvinbohemian
That was one hilarious exposition storm. Literally. My impression of HRG: I AM GOING TO YELL ALL THIS INFORMATION TO YOU FOR A LONG TIME EVEN THOUGH THE AUDIENCE HAS ALREADY HEARD IT AND THIS PRETTY MUCH VIOLATES THE RULES OF GOOD TELEVISION STORYTELLING!! You get all that, Mohinder?starvinbohemian
By the way, these people aren't doing a very good job of looking for Angela. Probably you could stick your head into a cabin, notice that there was nothing to hide behind, and move on. Instead, they seem to be walking through the camp going, "Is she under this piece of paper? No. How about behind this tumbleweed? No. Well, let's sit down and have some tea. Nothing that bad could possibly have happened to Angela." Aren't they worried that the others took he?
brighteyed_jill
Mohinder stares soulfully out into the desert. Alice's reaction hurt his feelings, you see. He thinks his father was a monster. Personally, I think he might want to be thinking more about the guy who injected himself with an unknown formula, started growing scales and webbing up drug dealers, and experimented on human subjects at Primatech. But maybe I'm judgmental.
brighteyed_jill
Peter found a film reel in an old office, and he gives it to Suresh. I think it's the orientation film for The Orchid. Mohinder isn’t ready to forgive himself, so he stays at Coyote Sands, and Peter goes off with his family.
brighteyed_jill
Then, at the very end of he episode, Peter made the declaration that they're stromger as a family! Awww, that's, like, Winchester 101! Great, next episode Angela's going to be ambushed by demons and returned to her family possessed.
egoteprovoco
The Dharma Initiative Coyote Sands
I'm sorry, I'm sure everyone else is saying it, but ... the barracks and abandoned swingset and mass grave is screaming 'DHARMA INITIATIVE!' to me. I'm sorry, but it had to be said.
aunt_zelda
We’re in black and white, in 1961. Namaste, everyone! It’s the Dahrma Initiative Coyote Sands Relocation Center.
brighteyed_jill
Sy Years Gone [Sylar...er...Nathan?]
Most mysterious of all, why does Angela smile when she sees Nathan!Sylar on TV? Is it simply that she's like me and ridiculously pleased to see the brain-fondling one whenever he crops up? Or has she been having Important Dreams (TM) about the series finale? Or are the fries really that good? All will surely be revealed in the next thrilling installment...
redscharlach
Sylar is replaying Five Year Gone, it became true, even the part "your brother was like that before I take his place".
schtroumph_c