Against perceived offensiveness

[historychick49]

By now, surely everyone (possibly including those of you who are outside the US) has heard about the people who are protesting the building of a community center that will contain a mosque. The reason they're protesting this? It will be built about two blocks from "Ground Zero" (seriously, it's been nearly nine years - can we start calling it

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[jordan179]

I don't care about 'ground zero.' In fact, the whole term 'ground zero' irritates me because in order to be true, there have to have been other sites that were actually bombed/whatever, and it so happens there weren't.

???

Sorry, what reality did you post that from?

First of all, "ground zero" refers to the epicenter of an attack or event, regardless of whether or not there were any others.

Secondly, there were "other sites that were actually bombed/whatever" on 09-11-2001 -- the Pentagon, and the crash site of Flight 93.

Do you have a real objection to the use of the term 'ground zero?'

[jordan179]

A plane crash is not a bombing, no matter who crashed the plane, or why.

Well, from that point of view there were no "bombings" on 9-11 -- just four plane crashes. But this strikes me as a bit silly, since what the Terrorists basically did was to capture four planes and turn them into piloted missiles.

[glowing_fish]

I wonder that people don't have better things to worry about. There has been a number of made-up scandals in recent years. Actually, there has been made-up scandals forever. Ever since newspapers talked about how Thomas Jefferson would outlaw the bible, at least.

[jordan179]

By now, surely everyone (possibly including those of you who are outside the US) has heard about the people who are protesting the building of a community center that will contain a mosque. The reason they're protesting this? It will be built about two blocks from "Ground Zero" (seriously, it's been nearly nine years - can we start calling it something else?), and they claim that this is, essentially, giving the finger to everyone who died in the attacks.

They are a bunch of reactionary Christianist idiots, of course.

Oh, of course. Personally, I can't see how it could possibly be seen as Muslim triumphalism. That would require that the leader of the project actually be an Islamist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordoba_House

Abdul Rauf, a Kuwait-born Muslim Sufi of Egyptian origin, is the chief proponent of the mosque project.[20][57][4][41] Some U.S. politicians voiced concerns about his views.[20][57][4

[historychick49]

Well, no, actually, it sounds like he's an intelligent man who's very aware of the complex issues surrounding American-Middle East relations. The US has meddled in Middle Eastern issues since at least the 1950s, if not earlier, so why the hell were people so surprised when some radical Islamists decided to strike back?

I still stand by my assertion that the people opposing the Cordoba House for the above reason are reactionary Christianist idiots.

[jordan179]

He refused to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization, and he argued that the 9-11 attack was provoked by us. That makes him pretty obviously a pro-Terrorist, to me.

By the way, Al Qaeda's claimed justifications for 9-11 were that we were maintaining forces in Saudi Arabia, and that we were corrupting Muslim culture with our entertainment industry.

[historychick49]

Well, okay, if you want to pick at nits, he also didn't say that Hamas wasn't a terrorist organization. He said that terrorism is complex - therefore, that the question of whether Hamas is a terrorist organization is also complex.

He also didn't say that the US provoked the 9/11 attacks, he said that we weren't completely innocent. Which, again, we weren't.

[kitten_goddess]

*LOL*

Newt Gingrich was even using this farce as an excuse to call for not permitting any more building permits for mosques. What is it about 2010 that's making all the stupid crawl out of the woodwork?