I aslo think gen 2 suffers because of the quality of season four.
This is so true. I mean, season three had some dodgy episodes too, but large parts of it were awesome and I think that all the characters with the exception of Freddie were interesting. Naomi's episode is still one of the best things Skins has ever done. I also find it really weird that so many people in fandom seem ready to dismiss gen 2 and jump on the gen 3 bandwagon, because I thought most people were in fandom BECAUSE they liked gen 2.
I don't have a download link for Skins US 1x03 but it's up on torrents, if that helps?
Exactly. There are some shit season three episodes (ew, 3.02, ewwwwwww) but on the whole it's a pretty amazing season. Plus, I honestly think the gen 2 cast are more likeable than gen 1. For me it's s3, >>s1>>>>s2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>s4. But that doesn't sully the whole gen for me. I mean, Emily is my favorite all time character crush so s4 could never completely ruin gen 2 for me.
I have a feeling there are some bitter gen one fans who are now coming out of the woodworks. A few comments about gen 2 are nigh on vindictive so I feel a little of the praise gen three is recieveing are from people who have eaten too many bitter cakes during gen 2.
ALSO, WHAT TORRENTS, OMG!!!! I really want to watch the episode. Do you know where I should go?
I have a feeling there are some bitter gen one fans who are now coming out of the woodworks.
Yeah, I think that might be true. It'll be interesting to see what kind of fannish output there is with this gen. There was way more fic for gen 2 than gen 1, but I feel like gen 3 might go back to gen 1 levels - generally well received, but not with much fic to show for it. (Who do people ship in gen 3, anyway?)
I get my torrents from Isohunt. :D Hopefully this will work!
(Work is okay - I might have been able to negotiate some sort of compromise that means I can stay on part-time. I'll find out tomorrow.)
I agree about fandom. Gen 2 was different to almost any show I've seen because it gave fans FOUR amazingly shippable, complex female characters. I remember the moment in fandom where everyone realised Katie is incredibly complex. I still think, overall, N/E are my favourite lesbian pairing and one of favourites ships; period. Who can deny them when they have such well matched hair? And there's Effy who is good to write with just about anyone. I also kind of love this fandom because it's saturated in femmeslash. The only other fandom I've participated in is Harry Potter where femmeslash is outnumbered two to one by incest fics. incest fics. Oy
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Personally there hasn't been a single series of Skins that I haven't enjoyed on the whole, give or take an episode or character. I think as a show it's been... consistently uneven? And I feel confident that I will enjoy gen 3, as well, though I agree that trying to assign it a place in the hierarchy after one episode seems a bit strange.
Ugh, I want to like Grace so much but she was a bit cringeworthy in that episode. Hopefully she'll improve with time.
Oh, and I'm excited about this Freddie/Cook fic! I always thought I might ship them, but the fandom has been overwhelmingly lady-centric, so I've never really properly got into them.
I WANT to like Grace. She seems quirky and a little demure which are two characteristics I like in a character. I didn't warm up to her immediately but like you say, it's only one episode. I didn't really like Naomi until 3.04 so quality characters can sometimes evolve slowly on Skins. Particularly with their strict one person only episode structure.
It was a good start. Episode two is written by JB so I'm very dubious about its potential but hey, apparently gen 3 will be lighter and funnier so maybe that will play to JB's strenghts?
The Frook fic has landed. I have no idea why I started writing this story. I blame my friend who became obsessed with Freddie/Cook/Effy living in an utopia of polyamorous bliss.
Now that you mention it, this is the first fandom I've participated in where the femmeslash vastly outnumers the slash. While Freddie/Cook are pretty hot, I'm not sad about this fact for a moment ;) Mmmmm, ladies.
I don't mind difference of opinion. I just dislike it when it's mindless.
See, this is exactly how I feel. Whatever, if people love G3, good for them. But people were saying it was the best Gen ever, not just better than G2 and it's like ... what? I read where somewhere someone was like, 'If US Skins currently wasn't airing, everyone would be so much more critical of G3.' Which is completely the truth. People are comparing this to US Skins, NOT to the other Gens, not really. So their opinion is ... I don't want to say invalid, but perhaps skewed?
I aslo think gen 2 suffers because of the quality of season four.But even S4 wasn't THAT terrible. Everyone loved episodes 402-404. Even 401 was generally liked. And the FE fans love 405. It's all because of episodes 406 and 407 and the shitty resolutions (by which I mean, none, really) in 408. Even then, 408 isn't completely unwatchable. I mean, yes, they fucked a lot of things up, but it's not like the episodes are so bad that you just cannot even bring yourself to like them
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So their opinion is ... I don't want to say invalid, but perhaps skewed?
Definitely skewed. I don't mind if people liked 5.01. There were certainly elements which were very strong (I floved the animation bit). I'm just flummoxed that people are so quick to judge gen 2. I've read numerous comments like "already better than any of gen 2" and I just think that's hasty. I disliked 3.01, 3.02 and if I judged Skins on this, then I would have missed out on some of the best television I've seen in my life. I get the feeling there is an element of bitterness hidden in a lot of criticisms of gen 2. Perhaps due to the success of the gen? Oy.
But even S4 wasn't THAT terrible.But it sort of was that terrible. The episodes were ridiculously so myopic which resulted in one character/couple would get all the attention....then live off scraps for the rest of the season. Every episode was practically a self contained. This was exacerbated in the latter half of s4 when a character like, say, Emily, didn't get any moment for ~her~ perspective. Like
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Oh, and Mini is a horrible cunt and in my opinion, does not deserved to be redeemed. I loved GL's S4 episode, but there isn't anything she can do for me personally to ever be okay with Mini and how she is. EVER.This, so much. Before the season started everyone seemed to be all 'woo Franky/Mini forevs' based on about a second of footage. And then Mini appears on our screens like this throwback monster to every bullied child's worst nightmare ever, and I'm like 'ship that? Seriously
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Grace grew on me by the end of the episode. I thought the three kids befriending Franky was really sweet. I like they're the dorky outcasts group they formed. I think it's quite realistic. Now, I have no idea how this gang of kids are going to come together by the end of the season but we'll see how the writers approach constucting organic relationships
And I agree with you about Mini. She's gross. I hope there isn't any gender bullying in your school too. It really is vile and it's hard to see Mini being redeemed after this.
Excited for Frook fic, under-appreciated pairing in fandom imo :(
I was generally really pleased with the Gen 3 opener, I wouldn't go so far as to say best gen ever on the basis of one ep, but I thought it had potential. And it really *felt* like Skins again, which I didn't feel for S4. I mean, even though I liked 4.02-4.06 as decent eps, they were too insular for my liking and there was no season long storylines. Can't judge S5 so far for the second part of that yet, but I felt that even though the group isn't established so far as a 'group', that there was more of a focus on people outwith the main character. We'll see.
Massively craving the movie. Doubt it'll happen though, there's been too much talk for too long without anything happening.
Yeah I thought the gen 3 opener wasn't bad. I think it was still far too myopic because barely anyone else got a look in during Franky's episode. Since it was the introduction of a GEN I wanted more scenes separated from Franky. That being said, it felt like a 1-3 episode to me as well, mostly because it was well balanced between humour and drama. I always thought of skins as a drama with heavy comedic moments which was completely abandoned in s4. But like you said, we'll see how gen 3 goes.
I hope the movie still goes ahead. JB confirmed it's still happening three weeks ago, but yeah...I don't know how to feel about it anymore....
(I just posted the Frook fic! I hope you like it...)
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This is so true. I mean, season three had some dodgy episodes too, but large parts of it were awesome and I think that all the characters with the exception of Freddie were interesting. Naomi's episode is still one of the best things Skins has ever done. I also find it really weird that so many people in fandom seem ready to dismiss gen 2 and jump on the gen 3 bandwagon, because I thought most people were in fandom BECAUSE they liked gen 2.
I don't have a download link for Skins US 1x03 but it's up on torrents, if that helps?
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I have a feeling there are some bitter gen one fans who are now coming out of the woodworks. A few comments about gen 2 are nigh on vindictive so I feel a little of the praise gen three is recieveing are from people who have eaten too many bitter cakes during gen 2.
ALSO, WHAT TORRENTS, OMG!!!! I really want to watch the episode. Do you know where I should go?
(btw, I hope work isn't too awful, English <3)
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Yeah, I think that might be true. It'll be interesting to see what kind of fannish output there is with this gen. There was way more fic for gen 2 than gen 1, but I feel like gen 3 might go back to gen 1 levels - generally well received, but not with much fic to show for it. (Who do people ship in gen 3, anyway?)
I get my torrents from Isohunt. :D Hopefully this will work!
(Work is okay - I might have been able to negotiate some sort of compromise that means I can stay on part-time. I'll find out tomorrow.)
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Ugh, I want to like Grace so much but she was a bit cringeworthy in that episode. Hopefully she'll improve with time.
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It was a good start. Episode two is written by JB so I'm very dubious about its potential but hey, apparently gen 3 will be lighter and funnier so maybe that will play to JB's strenghts?
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Now that you mention it, this is the first fandom I've participated in where the femmeslash vastly outnumers the slash. While Freddie/Cook are pretty hot, I'm not sad about this fact for a moment ;) Mmmmm, ladies.
Hope you like the story!
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See, this is exactly how I feel. Whatever, if people love G3, good for them. But people were saying it was the best Gen ever, not just better than G2 and it's like ... what? I read where somewhere someone was like, 'If US Skins currently wasn't airing, everyone would be so much more critical of G3.' Which is completely the truth. People are comparing this to US Skins, NOT to the other Gens, not really. So their opinion is ... I don't want to say invalid, but perhaps skewed?
I aslo think gen 2 suffers because of the quality of season four.But even S4 wasn't THAT terrible. Everyone loved episodes 402-404. Even 401 was generally liked. And the FE fans love 405. It's all because of episodes 406 and 407 and the shitty resolutions (by which I mean, none, really) in 408. Even then, 408 isn't completely unwatchable. I mean, yes, they fucked a lot of things up, but it's not like the episodes are so bad that you just cannot even bring yourself to like them ( ... )
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So their opinion is ... I don't want to say invalid, but perhaps skewed?
Definitely skewed. I don't mind if people liked 5.01. There were certainly elements which were very strong (I floved the animation bit). I'm just flummoxed that people are so quick to judge gen 2. I've read numerous comments like "already better than any of gen 2" and I just think that's hasty. I disliked 3.01, 3.02 and if I judged Skins on this, then I would have missed out on some of the best television I've seen in my life. I get the feeling there is an element of bitterness hidden in a lot of criticisms of gen 2. Perhaps due to the success of the gen? Oy.
But even S4 wasn't THAT terrible.But it sort of was that terrible. The episodes were ridiculously so myopic which resulted in one character/couple would get all the attention....then live off scraps for the rest of the season. Every episode was practically a self contained. This was exacerbated in the latter half of s4 when a character like, say, Emily, didn't get any moment for ~her~ perspective. Like ( ... )
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And I agree with you about Mini. She's gross. I hope there isn't any gender bullying in your school too. It really is vile and it's hard to see Mini being redeemed after this.
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I was generally really pleased with the Gen 3 opener, I wouldn't go so far as to say best gen ever on the basis of one ep, but I thought it had potential. And it really *felt* like Skins again, which I didn't feel for S4. I mean, even though I liked 4.02-4.06 as decent eps, they were too insular for my liking and there was no season long storylines. Can't judge S5 so far for the second part of that yet, but I felt that even though the group isn't established so far as a 'group', that there was more of a focus on people outwith the main character. We'll see.
Massively craving the movie. Doubt it'll happen though, there's been too much talk for too long without anything happening.
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I hope the movie still goes ahead. JB confirmed it's still happening three weeks ago, but yeah...I don't know how to feel about it anymore....
(I just posted the Frook fic! I hope you like it...)
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