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San Lorenzo Discussion Post: Bottinelli Attacked

Nov 02, 2011 10:38

This is terrible. When I first read the news I couldn't believe that this happened, especially to a player so deeply involved with this club, not only as a player, but as a member ( Read more... )

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ayres_4 November 2 2011, 15:36:45 UTC

Is his re-election a sign of apathy among Argentines? how can it be a sign of apathy when we don't get to choose, when we're not the ones that vote? It's the presidents that do, and they are either as corrupt as Grondona, and benefit from his business, or their clubs are in so much debt with the AFA that they can't afford to oppose him. Even the clubs that are strong enought to do it and publicly speak against his re-election (All Boys, Velez) don't actually go and vote against him. They just don't show up at the assembly. That's why they had 46 votes in favor and 3 not present ( ... )

just_jenni November 2 2011, 17:54:10 UTC

...when we're not the ones that vote? It's the presidents that do...
Thanks for clarifying that. I was thinking more that the club presidents should be taking the fans' wishes and making them real. Does no one care about the fans? The TRUE fans, who love and support the team, and who care passionately about the players and the team's standings in the Primera. I guess not. I guess money is still almost everyone's #1 priority in life. :(

When I saw barras in a movie threatening a player, I laughed. (It was Rudo y Cursi, a comedy.) But in real life it isn't funny at all. :(

So it was really Migliore who punched Botti? Okay, that's different than if a fan did it, and now I can understand why he'd want to leave.

I remember watching a documentary called Sacachispas (I hope I spelled it right) about a 4th-division team and its fans, more so the barras associated with that club. They were horrifying, only in that they seemed like normal guys. Until they started talking about actually killing fans from a rival team, and bragging ( ... )

ayres_4 November 2 2011, 18:04:19 UTC

Does no one care about the fans?
You've hit the nail on the head, Jenni. In the end, that's all you need to understand about argie football: the fact that you have the most passionate fans, the ones who give everything to the club, who travel to Mendoza on a monday night to support, who spend money, who donate money, who help the kids from the youth system, who give their time and energy to the club... and you have everyone else, caring about making money, and stealing it, and benefitting in every way possible. No. No one cares about the fans.

just_jenni November 2 2011, 18:07:09 UTC

ayres_4 November 2 2011, 15:39:38 UTC

ps: meanwhile, I get my match suspended and I can't go to my stadium to support MY team, my right as a socia, because of three assholes who think they own the club and who think threatening players is the way to go. In the middle, asshole players who try to use this situation to leave the club as free agents, players who don't care about the club, who try their best to get the management to fire the coach. You see, football is rotten, every side of it, the managements, the AFA, the players and their managers, the hooligans. And yet the only ones that suffer are the fans.

just_jenni November 2 2011, 17:57:32 UTC

Yeah, it stinks that you can't go and watch your team in your stadium because of three assholes...and worse to know that football is rotten all the way through. But I still maintain that if the fans suffer, then football as a whole will suffer, and I believe it is. No wonder most of the best players want to leave for elsewhere. I just hope life is better for them when they do. :(

ayres_4 November 2 2011, 18:20:51 UTC

The only pure thing about football are the fans. They give everything and get nothing in return.

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ayres_4 November 2 2011, 16:06:50 UTC

Third comment, lol. I don't want my first comment to be misunderstood: I'm not saying that what happened in SL was ok, I'm not saying they should have focused on Boca instead, etc. I'm just trying to paint a picture of how the barras are affecting most clubs, but mainly how they are ALWAYS damaging the fans' rights, the fans' security, etc. The fans are the last ones the managements seem to care about, even if we are the fucking owners of the clubs after all.

just_jenni November 2 2011, 18:02:03 UTC

LOL @ 3rd comment! It's OK, I cannot take anything too personally, because I don't live there and I am a River fan, so I'm not as involved as a San Lore fan would be. At one time I really liked Boca (it was just before Riquelme came back) and I could have been a fan. But something about the club bothered me a lot. I can't specifically say what it was now, but I switched my loyalties to River. And I suppose River is not perfect either and has similar problems with its own Barras, but I see River as only this lovely club that MUST return to the Primera next promotion/relegation time.

ayres_4 November 2 2011, 18:14:14 UTC

The sad thing is that the problems with the barras are everywhere. Just like you said, you watched a documentary about Sacachispas, so, if there are barras like that in a 4th division club, just imagine the number of barras in the big clubs, the power they have, the money they get etc. River has had many problems with their barras, but this isn't me critizing the club; because there is not one single club in argie football that doesn't have a barra (supported by the managements of course). It's a sad day when clubs are judged by their barras and not the true fans.
If you look at two violent incidents that happened in Argentina last year (unrelated to football) you will find barras involved. The murder of Mariano Ferreyra and incidents in the Parque Indoamericano. Just a tiny glimpse of how politicians use the barras for their own purposes...