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venus_orbiting June 19 2011, 00:14:30 UTC
I think there's definitely the most grey area with Imperio. The other two are clearly unforgivable no matter what, but with Imperio, I think it's reasonable to take intent into account. That doesn't mean I think people should go around using it and then saying "Well I wasn't trying to do anything BAD, it was just for fun!" because obviously that is not good. But in a life-threatening situation, I think it's excusable, as long as it is 100% self-defense and nobody is being harmed or made to do something terrible.

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hyper_amychao June 19 2011, 00:49:12 UTC
THIS. This is basically how I always felt about it, but never knew how to write it out. :p

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drfaith101 June 19 2011, 00:20:27 UTC
-Yup
-I think there's a difference. I think circumstances and context should determine how they are charged.
-The Imperio one. I can handle pain and I could accept death but to literally be controlled by an external force and made to do things that I would not normaly do, is personally more traumatic.
-If it was a matter of life and death or the protection of myself and others, I think I'd use any of them. I remember reading the books and going...'God I'd love to kill that bitch' lol.
-You'd think that the trio would have gone that far, especially in the last one. But at the same time I think that it was vital that none of the youth actually commited such a violent act (mainly refering to AVK)

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venus_orbiting June 19 2011, 01:02:05 UTC
As explained in my above comment, I can see myself using Imperio under dire circumstances. But I would never ever ever ever EVER use Crucio. If I had to kill somebody for whatever fucked up reason, I would make it quick. Killing is horrible, but torture is sociopathic, full stop. No excuse. I'd excuse someone for AK before I excused them for Crucio.

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reevesdamn June 19 2011, 02:37:02 UTC
I think if in dire circumstances any of the 3 would be acceptable. If someone was about to attempt to kill me or cause me serious bodily harm I'd throw anything at them to save my life. It's survival instincts, and self defence. And the wizard court should take that into consideration.

Yes, there are alternatives. Stunning could be done to neutralize a threat, but those spells can be blocked, unforgivable curses can't be.

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demented2468 June 19 2011, 22:18:38 UTC
Agreed

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roterstern June 19 2011, 12:25:54 UTC
I do not judge Harry for using the Unforgivables. They're unforgivable for a reason, yes - but what I learnt from HP is that a thing is neither bad nor good only; there are always two sides to a thing. So I think, under certain circumstances, it is entirely justified to use an Unforgivable.

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