Apparently in the original script Gero had a reference to Keller/Ronon that at least offers some insight into what Keller's thinking. Joe Mallozzi posted it in his blog here.
In re: Who Would You Rather, I agree that Keller and Carter would absolutely pass their time that way. My best friend and I had just done Paul Newman v. Robert Redford a few nights before, and it kinda filled me with glee to see that type of playful interaction between two professional women, even as they display their intelligence and competencies. It also reminded me of how rarely I see majority-female groups in this show and other ensemble shows that I enjoy. (It's totally Newman, btw; have you seen this picture? Guh.)
Hi! Playing Newman v. Redford is a favorite pastime of mine. (Not to mention slashing the characters they play.)
If you don't know about it, you might be interested in: newmaniacs (Newman fans) newford (slashing characters played by Newman and Redford) the_sting_fic (any sort of fic for the movie)
Oh, I love you for pointing these out! I am currently dl'ing pictures like mad from newmaniacs. I passed the link on to my friend, who I'm sure will also derive great pleasure from the community. Thanks!
4. Absolutely 4. Keller can be more relaxed with Rodney because he's much less socially ept than she is, for one. You can see it in the way she interacts with them both, it's different flirting. Ronon's heart will not be broken.
Apparently TPTB have confirmed it's 1, not 4. Like, thanks for letting us know, guys! It would be great if this information was, you know, on the show rather than making us go to your shitty and annoying blog to figure it out, but que sera sera.
The line you were looking for, Martin my friend, was "If I lived by that rule, I'd never move again."
You're right but then again, this line is 'said' by someone and not meant to be studiously composed and written down. It's in fact being spoken by someone who's just dropped twenty-five feet through the ground. So maybe McKay's syntax can be a little off, IC. :)
Well, that's just cheating! *g* Dialogue in fiction is supposed to be better than real-life speech; the way people talk in reality is a hot mess. My issue was really that the way it was phrased made it a confusing line for me. I had to go through the process of thinking, "If what were true? I'm sure it is true that you shouldn't move, Rodney, listen to your doctor. No, wait, he means -- I see what he means! Hey, that's funny!" There are ways and reasons to deploy bad grammar and odd sentence structure in fiction, but I don't think it added anything here, and it took away from clarity, which is pretty much always a positive good in tv writing. In my opinion, obviously.
I was thrown by that line as well, since it can be read as either a) I feel shooting pains right now because of the fall so I think I'll never move again or, b) I always feel shooting pains, which is clearly the intent. I first thought it was a, myself.
Yeah, it's usually something I grit my teeth and ignore because I don't want to deal with it, but it squicks me a lot, particularly in this case. I guess it is because there's so little old-school gay subtext on tv anymore -- I mean, when SGA is the biggest, gayest show you've got, that's a major fucking dearth of gay on tv. So I get the impulse to find it by hook or by crook, but at the same time, there's a lot of baggage to me around straight people making bold pronouncements (and, YES, so often with a certain smugness, and YES, so often on totally-out-there grounds that bear no resemblance to my experiences of queerness) about what's So Totally Gay and what's not. That may not be fair of me, but I do. What to do with my frustration, I don't know. Fandom, love it or leave it, I suppose.
There is so much I want to say about your review because... SMART THINKY THOUHGTS!!! But probably I shall fail to say much. Let us see:
1. Martin Gero -- I think, like those brothers who used to write the quirky genius X-Files episodes, Martin writes to his own internal canon -- one which I tend to trust more than others. Martin gets Rodney in a way that other, more SG1, related writers don't. I think he also gets that Atlantis might have a different ethos -- less of a loyalty to Earth, etc. that the show runners and creators obviously don't agree with. Gero's canon and approach is much more character friendly in general -- he writes, dare I say it, with what I think of as the female agenda at heart. Like the guys who always used to play female characters in RPGs -- if that makes sense. That last also leads me to:
2. But the thing is, this only works if men are actually not under constant suspicion of secret gayness. I have thought this often -- that we, in the throes of our own mythmaking, are forcing a 2 dimensional
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Thanks for the response! I'm glad you're taking my reactions to the So Gay issue in the spirit they were intended -- every time I think about broaching the subject, I'm afraid it'll come off sounding like I'm setting up some kind of The Gays vs. The Slashers dichotomy, which is the furthest thing from what I intend. I do think -- contrary to what I believed twelve years ago when I first got into slash fandom -- that there's a substantive difference between queer fandom and slash fandom, and that the needs and expectations of the two communties are sometimes the same and sometimes...really not the same. Also, that they are overlapping Venn Diagrams, and lots of people like me identify with both! So it's a complicated thing, and I'm glad it's something that I can talk about with other slashers. In short: you rock. *g*
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In re: Who Would You Rather, I agree that Keller and Carter would absolutely pass their time that way. My best friend and I had just done Paul Newman v. Robert Redford a few nights before, and it kinda filled me with glee to see that type of playful interaction between two professional women, even as they display their intelligence and competencies. It also reminded me of how rarely I see majority-female groups in this show and other ensemble shows that I enjoy. (It's totally Newman, btw; have you seen this picture? Guh.)
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If you don't know about it, you might be interested in:
newmaniacs (Newman fans)
newford (slashing characters played by Newman and Redford)
the_sting_fic (any sort of fic for the movie)
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I need to hug a Ronon/Keller 'shipper.
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You're right but then again, this line is 'said' by someone and not meant to be studiously composed and written down. It's in fact being spoken by someone who's just dropped twenty-five feet through the ground. So maybe McKay's syntax can be a little off, IC. :)
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1. Martin Gero -- I think, like those brothers who used to write the quirky genius X-Files episodes, Martin writes to his own internal canon -- one which I tend to trust more than others. Martin gets Rodney in a way that other, more SG1, related writers don't. I think he also gets that Atlantis might have a different ethos -- less of a loyalty to Earth, etc. that the show runners and creators obviously don't agree with. Gero's canon and approach is much more character friendly in general -- he writes, dare I say it, with what I think of as the female agenda at heart. Like the guys who always used to play female characters in RPGs -- if that makes sense. That last also leads me to:
2. But the thing is, this only works if men are actually not under constant suspicion of secret gayness. I have thought this often -- that we, in the throes of our own mythmaking, are forcing a 2 dimensional ( ... )
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