Lay Down Your Burdens, pt. 2 or kiss me like a lover and sting me like a viper.
Don’t blame me I voted for Roslin
I wish I could say that I would have voted for Roslin, but I wouldn’t have. From the view of the normal person living in the BSG world, Baltar’s rhetoric made a lot of sense. And there's always the following reasons:
1. I wouldn’t like how Roslin made major decisions based on the scriptures. As a viewer, I don’t mind and I think that she actually is the leader who will lead them to Earth; however, in real life I’m not comfortable with my political leaders using religion to make major political decisions. Guess I take the Establishment Clause too seriously.
2. Listening to Roslin in LDYB1 I came to the conclusion that Roslin is a bit out-of-touch with how difficult life is for normal people in the fleet. Baltar’s offer of a planet where the people can stop running and start living their lives is very attractive. Life is hard wherever you are and Earth is that bright shining future most of the people won’t live to enjoy. Why not go for life on the planet now?
3. Most people in the fleet have no frakking idea that Baltar is selfish, mentally imbalanced and betrayed humanity. To the average person, he’s a larger than life figure-a genius, charming and witty.
How do you solve a problem like Anders?
After this episode, I have a little crush Anders. Maybe it’s because he’s tall or because he’s not too built, but I think I might have made out with him in front of Lee too. This makes me a bad person, I know. It’s taken a long time for me to see that Kara loves Anders. When I look back on season 2, there has been a lot of evidence showing us that her feelings for him were real but it has been difficult to accept. How could TPTB expect to us give up on Kara/Lee all of a sudden? They built up the sexual tension between Kara and Lee from the mini to KLS1 and suddenly dropped it the second season. I was invested in the relationship and wasn’t prepared to drop it for a boring pyramid character on Caprica. The show didn’t frak up the Anders storyline as badly as the L/D, but it has required a huge leap of faith to believe that Kara fell in love with this guy after spending a few days with him. It’s only taken me most of the season to deal with the fact that she loves Anders.
Unlike many people’s predictions that she would become bored with him or discover that her love wasn’t true, I think that the show told us in LDYB2 that she does love him after a year together. Not only did she kiss him on the head when giving him the soup (or tea?), she swallowed her pride and called Lee for the medicine. Some fans have pointed to Kara’s statement to Ellen Tigh that the excitement wouldn’t last long as evidence that Kara’s not happy with Anders. Well, despite our dreams, love doesn’t solve all problems. There is a difference between being miserable because you live on New Craprica and not loving your husband. Fans want her to be miserable (and Lee too) because (1) They’re mad at her for breaking Lee’s heart and (2) we want our OTP to be together and a happy marriage threatens our pair.
Even if TPTB wanted to bring K/L together, how can they do it believably within the next few seasons? Kara’s either going to be with Anders or in mourning while Lee is going to either be angry with Kara or happy with Dee. Speaking of Dee, I don’t know what the frak I’m supposed to think about her and Lee. I don’t believe that he’s in love with her and don’t see any chemistry of any kind but TPTB told us in Sacrifice that they had feelings for each other. We’ve even got a lot of never before seen previouslies showing us how lovey-dovey they are with each other. At the same time we see Lee looking at Kara like she’s the love of his life in LDYB2. The entire Lee/Dee thing is a joke, but the producers want us to believe it’s a “relationship”? Or do they? Am I fighting the facts with L/D the way I did with Kara and Anders? If I am, then I just ask that we get as few L/D scenes as possible because they make me sick to my stomach. Really.
Incidentally, there are people (Gaeta, Doc Cottle, Tory) that could turn out to be Cylons and I would be all “Oh, they’re so saucy! I still love them” But I don’t feel that way with Dee (or Kat) We find out that she’s a Cylon and I’ll be screaming for the airlock.
Kara & the scene
ste_noni could attest that I say really stupid things in the heat of an argument or even when I’m trying too hard to be funny. That’s probably why I don’t hate Kara for what she said in this scene. I also have friends who behave as immaturely as Kara did with Anders. I don’t like it, but it isn’t unusual for new lovers or even reunited lovers to forget that their friends exist. I’ve all seen it too many times and can’t judge Kara because I’ve either said worse or forgiven people for doing worse. Besides, the scene is just wonderful/horrible/wonderful. It was great to see Kara happy and flirting with Sam and for him to be as into her as she is into him. I loved that. It made me happy. Hell, it still makes me happy.
Some people think that Kara deliberately hurt Lee but I don’t think she meant to hurt him. She was manic and careless and she felt safe enough to have no impulse control. She probably meant what she said, but I don’t think she thought about the affect on Lee. It would be easier to take if she did intend Lee to hurt-then we would be able to find motivation and meaning in her actions. It’s much harder to admit that she was just carelessly cruel. I think it only reaches the level of cruelty because we were privy to Lee’s longing gazes at Kara and Sam. We know that he desired to be in Sam’s position and that her comments about him finding a girlfriend were especially horrible given that she is the one he wants. I’m not sure that Kara knows that Lee still carries a torch for her, which is one of the reasons I think she didn’t intend her words and actions to hurt Lee. Kara doesn’t think of herself as good enough for Lee so she wouldn’t consider that he still wants her as a romantic interest after all the stuff that’s gone down in the last three years. If I’m wrong, I’d love to hear about why she does know that he carries a torch. Bring it on.
At first I didn’t think that this scene could be the reason Kara and Lee still aren’t talking a year later. Upon reflection, I think that Lee is capable of simmering and seething enough to ruin their friendship over it (not that she didn’t have a lot to do with it). In fact, I think he probably acted cold and distant to Kara after “the scene” but she didn’t really notice because she was busy falling in love. Her obliviousness to his feelings only made the situation worse. I imagine Lee blowing up at Kara about something like her leaving the military or her marrying Anders. In my fanwank, she invited him to her wedding (along with probably only Adama and Helo) and Lee declined to show. This is something that everyone, including Tigh, would know about. In fact, I can’t think of anyone that wouldn’t see Lee not being at Kara’s wedding as a huge deal because he’s her family. They’re StarbuckandApollo. I love the idea of Lee being at the wedding and making a fuss by accusing Anders of being a Cylon, but that’s too dramatic for Lee :- )
The Chief
I really loved the scene between the Chief and Cally in the beginning of the episode. I freely admit that it made me cry. In fact, I’m watching the ep right now and the scene made me cry again. Nikki Clyne is fantastic in this scene and I can’t believe how well she conveyed her love for and forgiveness of the Chief simultaneously. [I’m a feminist and I didn’t mind that she forgave him because she was right-he wasn’t himself and he wasn’t in his right mind.] I’m glad they were together in the end although I think Boomer is going to flip out when she discovers that Tyrol knocked up her murderer. My liberal heart sang with joy at the sight of the Chief leading the workers away from oppression and towards a strike. On a more shallow level, I loved seeing the Chief in flannel, with a beard and wearing glasses. He’s like a huge, sexy teddy bear. I <3 Chief.
Baltar as Nero
Love it. Nothing more to say. James Callis rocks my world and I find Baltar’s descent believable and fascinating.
La Resistance
My new true love. If it’s one fifth as good as I hope, then it will be fantastically entertaining.
Lee Commanding the Pegasus, while eating noodles
I think he’s unhappy and/or bored. Ha! I look forward to the montage scene of him getting into shape. Hopefully raw eggs will be involved somehow.
I wish I could say that I would have voted for Roslin, but I wouldn’t have. From the view of the normal person living in the BSG world, Baltar’s rhetoric made a lot of sense. And there's always the following reasons:
1. I wouldn’t like how Roslin made major decisions based on the scriptures. As a viewer, I don’t mind and I think that she actually is the leader who will lead them to Earth; however, in real life I’m not comfortable with my political leaders using religion to make major political decisions. Guess I take the Establishment Clause too seriously.
2. Listening to Roslin in LDYB1 I came to the conclusion that Roslin is a bit out-of-touch with how difficult life is for normal people in the fleet. Baltar’s offer of a planet where the people can stop running and start living their lives is very attractive. Life is hard wherever you are and Earth is that bright shining future most of the people won’t live to enjoy. Why not go for life on the planet now?
3. Most people in the fleet have no frakking idea that Baltar is selfish, mentally imbalanced and betrayed humanity. To the average person, he’s a larger than life figure-a genius, charming and witty.
How do you solve a problem like Anders?
After this episode, I have a little crush Anders. Maybe it’s because he’s tall or because he’s not too built, but I think I might have made out with him in front of Lee too. This makes me a bad person, I know. It’s taken a long time for me to see that Kara loves Anders. When I look back on season 2, there has been a lot of evidence showing us that her feelings for him were real but it has been difficult to accept. How could TPTB expect to us give up on Kara/Lee all of a sudden? They built up the sexual tension between Kara and Lee from the mini to KLS1 and suddenly dropped it the second season. I was invested in the relationship and wasn’t prepared to drop it for a boring pyramid character on Caprica. The show didn’t frak up the Anders storyline as badly as the L/D, but it has required a huge leap of faith to believe that Kara fell in love with this guy after spending a few days with him. It’s only taken me most of the season to deal with the fact that she loves Anders.
Unlike many people’s predictions that she would become bored with him or discover that her love wasn’t true, I think that the show told us in LDYB2 that she does love him after a year together. Not only did she kiss him on the head when giving him the soup (or tea?), she swallowed her pride and called Lee for the medicine. Some fans have pointed to Kara’s statement to Ellen Tigh that the excitement wouldn’t last long as evidence that Kara’s not happy with Anders. Well, despite our dreams, love doesn’t solve all problems. There is a difference between being miserable because you live on New Craprica and not loving your husband. Fans want her to be miserable (and Lee too) because (1) They’re mad at her for breaking Lee’s heart and (2) we want our OTP to be together and a happy marriage threatens our pair.
Even if TPTB wanted to bring K/L together, how can they do it believably within the next few seasons? Kara’s either going to be with Anders or in mourning while Lee is going to either be angry with Kara or happy with Dee. Speaking of Dee, I don’t know what the frak I’m supposed to think about her and Lee. I don’t believe that he’s in love with her and don’t see any chemistry of any kind but TPTB told us in Sacrifice that they had feelings for each other. We’ve even got a lot of never before seen previouslies showing us how lovey-dovey they are with each other. At the same time we see Lee looking at Kara like she’s the love of his life in LDYB2. The entire Lee/Dee thing is a joke, but the producers want us to believe it’s a “relationship”? Or do they? Am I fighting the facts with L/D the way I did with Kara and Anders? If I am, then I just ask that we get as few L/D scenes as possible because they make me sick to my stomach. Really.
Incidentally, there are people (Gaeta, Doc Cottle, Tory) that could turn out to be Cylons and I would be all “Oh, they’re so saucy! I still love them” But I don’t feel that way with Dee (or Kat) We find out that she’s a Cylon and I’ll be screaming for the airlock.
Kara & the scene
ste_noni could attest that I say really stupid things in the heat of an argument or even when I’m trying too hard to be funny. That’s probably why I don’t hate Kara for what she said in this scene. I also have friends who behave as immaturely as Kara did with Anders. I don’t like it, but it isn’t unusual for new lovers or even reunited lovers to forget that their friends exist. I’ve all seen it too many times and can’t judge Kara because I’ve either said worse or forgiven people for doing worse. Besides, the scene is just wonderful/horrible/wonderful. It was great to see Kara happy and flirting with Sam and for him to be as into her as she is into him. I loved that. It made me happy. Hell, it still makes me happy.
Some people think that Kara deliberately hurt Lee but I don’t think she meant to hurt him. She was manic and careless and she felt safe enough to have no impulse control. She probably meant what she said, but I don’t think she thought about the affect on Lee. It would be easier to take if she did intend Lee to hurt-then we would be able to find motivation and meaning in her actions. It’s much harder to admit that she was just carelessly cruel. I think it only reaches the level of cruelty because we were privy to Lee’s longing gazes at Kara and Sam. We know that he desired to be in Sam’s position and that her comments about him finding a girlfriend were especially horrible given that she is the one he wants. I’m not sure that Kara knows that Lee still carries a torch for her, which is one of the reasons I think she didn’t intend her words and actions to hurt Lee. Kara doesn’t think of herself as good enough for Lee so she wouldn’t consider that he still wants her as a romantic interest after all the stuff that’s gone down in the last three years. If I’m wrong, I’d love to hear about why she does know that he carries a torch. Bring it on.
At first I didn’t think that this scene could be the reason Kara and Lee still aren’t talking a year later. Upon reflection, I think that Lee is capable of simmering and seething enough to ruin their friendship over it (not that she didn’t have a lot to do with it). In fact, I think he probably acted cold and distant to Kara after “the scene” but she didn’t really notice because she was busy falling in love. Her obliviousness to his feelings only made the situation worse. I imagine Lee blowing up at Kara about something like her leaving the military or her marrying Anders. In my fanwank, she invited him to her wedding (along with probably only Adama and Helo) and Lee declined to show. This is something that everyone, including Tigh, would know about. In fact, I can’t think of anyone that wouldn’t see Lee not being at Kara’s wedding as a huge deal because he’s her family. They’re StarbuckandApollo. I love the idea of Lee being at the wedding and making a fuss by accusing Anders of being a Cylon, but that’s too dramatic for Lee :- )
The Chief
I really loved the scene between the Chief and Cally in the beginning of the episode. I freely admit that it made me cry. In fact, I’m watching the ep right now and the scene made me cry again. Nikki Clyne is fantastic in this scene and I can’t believe how well she conveyed her love for and forgiveness of the Chief simultaneously. [I’m a feminist and I didn’t mind that she forgave him because she was right-he wasn’t himself and he wasn’t in his right mind.] I’m glad they were together in the end although I think Boomer is going to flip out when she discovers that Tyrol knocked up her murderer. My liberal heart sang with joy at the sight of the Chief leading the workers away from oppression and towards a strike. On a more shallow level, I loved seeing the Chief in flannel, with a beard and wearing glasses. He’s like a huge, sexy teddy bear. I <3 Chief.
Baltar as Nero
Love it. Nothing more to say. James Callis rocks my world and I find Baltar’s descent believable and fascinating.
La Resistance
My new true love. If it’s one fifth as good as I hope, then it will be fantastically entertaining.
Lee Commanding the Pegasus, while eating noodles
I think he’s unhappy and/or bored. Ha! I look forward to the montage scene of him getting into shape. Hopefully raw eggs will be involved somehow.