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[i_hate_munger]

One the things I like most about going to All Saints is the constant barrage of pro-life propaganda that somehow shows up just in time to ruin an otherwise good day. "Abortion is murder," "A fetus is still a human being no matter what stage it's development may be." Well if that's the case, I better start socializing with more fetus', I don't want

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[_victorsworld_]

The fact of the matter is, a fetus IS NOT a living, breathing human being. Abortion IS NOT murder. Murder, by definition is: "the crime where one human being causes the death of another HUMAN BEING, without lawful excuse, and with intent to kill or with an intent to cause grievous bodily harm" (traditionally termed "malice aforethought") A fetus IS NOT a human being by any means. An unborn fetus is basically no more living than a house plant. While it may exhibit some basic characteristics of life, it isn't even close to being considered a human being.

Actually, I think once your realize that brainwaves start at 5 weeks, it becomes difficult to justify killing it. After all, when brainwaves cease you are legally dead. So when brainwaves start you would be considered legally alive as a human being, correct? So, within the first 5 weeks, we can debate whether or not it's murder, but after 5 weeks, it's undoubtedly a living, thinking creature. And since it's not a mouse or a cat, it's obviously a human being.

[thatgoonykid]

the heart starts at 3 weeks i believe

[holy_moly_moly]

Life trumps all. If I spend my whole life preparing for a job, and I get that job, and suddenly my boss fires me and ruins my life, I have a right to kill him then?

I see what you're trying to say, but it just doesn't hold water when life is compared. All jobs are required to give maternity leave, so you can have the baby and give it up for adoption.

Now, there is the whole situation if the mother's life is in danger. What I tried to say in my first post was to give it a logical, non-religious argument. You took it even farther with stating when the heart starts. A heart does not make a human, though, logically. But a brain does.

[thatgoonykid]

maternity leave for 18 years?

[thatgoonykid]

and on top of that, im not tlaking some piss job that you prepare for, im talking some real like, career, like, upper management, ceo type things, that youve spent your whole like post college life basically sucking dick to get, where youre in such fierce competition for the job that any sign of like, inability to perform would put you out of the running

its just ridiculous to compare a fetus to a fully grown, matured, person

a bunch of undeveloped cells
are about as much alive
as bacteria, or other primitive multicellular organisms

and the fact that we, as an entire world could benefit from the use of such undeveloped collections of cells, should be enough to convince anyone whos main argument that "life is more important" to believe in stem cell research and that good can come from abortions.

[_victorsworld_]

That was me posting under AManda's name

[thatgoonykid]

defending it in the sense of having your career, or lifes work, ruined is only one facet of the multitude of reasons why abortion needs to be kept available

if you werent so conservative

other peoples views on things wouldnt disturb you

if basic views on things disturb you, how do you plan on succeeding in the world?
if theres one thing i cant stand more then conservatives, its whiners.

people need to learn how to roll with the punches, and just fucking accept basic things like abortion and stop trying to make sweeping decisions that affect millions of other people. you cant have one unilateral way of doing things when the fact of the matter is, no two abortions have exactly the same circumstances. anyway you look at it, if you totally abolished the practice of abortion you would be excluding some form of people and then they would be whining.

[_victorsworld_]

The only views that disturb me are ones that completely eliminate a life due to inconvenience. As far as being conservative, I consider myself very progressive and usually see the other side's argument. Yours was just the first time I ever heard a pro-abortion person use THAT type of argument, which shocked me. As far as banning abortion nationally, that was never something I supported. I support overturning Roe v. Wade in order to deliver the issue to the states. This is such a divisive issue that it should really be left up to individual states to decide what is best for their citizens.

Like I said, there are exceptions for rape and where a doctor says the mother's life is in danger, but you can't abort a kid when there is an option that allows them to live. You think I'm saying the mother has to let the child ruin her life for 18 years, when in reality, she can give it up for adoption.

My viewpoint is not a close-minded conservative view, it's just that why choose death when you can choose life?

[thatgoonykid]

it should be left up to individual citizens entirely
states arent the ones carrying the fucking babies
people are.