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iceshark182

The Bittersweet Opiate

Jan 01, 2004 04:02

I was raised in a Catholic household, but no longer subscribe to any specific religion. I consider myself an agnostic who believes in strict evolution. I do however also believe in ones' right to be spiritual and seek enlightenment on ones' own terms, rather than solely following the teachings of just the Bible, Koran, Torah, or some so-called ( Read more... )

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anonymous January 1 2004, 14:31:36 UTC

I really liked your poem, i would have edited out parts and fixed others to flow better but it was good. Sounded a bit like MuMs though...

Ravyn

Def Jam Poet iceshark182 January 2 2004, 03:43:54 UTC

Yea, I was actually reading a lot of the poetry by MuMs the night I wrote this. For those of you not in the know, MuMs is a really good, I guess you could say, "Street Poet." He plays a character in the show OZ, and reads some of his actual poetry during certain episodes.

I'm glad that you were able to pick up on his influence in the poem. I didn't mimic, but simply tried to pattern this poem after his style, which is actually sort of a combination of spoken word, rap, and poetry. Maybe that will help explain some of the odd pacing, stalls, and free form rhyming structure. A poem like this is much better when spoken because it allows the author to insert more spirit, tone, and adjust the flow as desired. That and the fact that I am not black sort of take away from the poem. Looking back, there are some lines that I would have changed and some that I simply hate and would like to remove, but oh well, I was just experimenting a little, ya' dig daddyo?

Say What Karaoke gregkash January 2 2004, 11:59:57 UTC

I hate free verse poetry.

The only real reason is because with free verse poetry almost anything can be considered a poem. Even this response, and I don't like that. I much prefer Songs, Chorus' and set rhyming pattern. I think that changes the focus from style, (any style is pretty easy to get down) to the words and message you're trying to convey, (The masters of Haiku weren't the masters because they had 5-7-5 syllables every one of their poems, they were masters because of what those poems said in the 5-7-5 lines.) But as it is, I'm not much of a poetry buff so I guess I really can't criticize.

Re: Say What Karaoke gregkash January 2 2004, 12:04:17 UTC

I guess that explains why im a fan of the music im a fan of. It's not the most intricate, complex stuff. They just have the best lyrics (in my opinion) to what I'm going through and what I want to hear. I guess that's why I'm not a big Mogwai (spelling?) fan. Music, while of course it needs to be appealing, also needs to have a good lyrical message (and by good lyrical message I mean to me, I don't mean anything like no swearing or good christian values) for me to truly enjoy it.

Metallica's music I don't mind really, I just hate their lyrics and that makes the music just not worth my time to me.

but again, this is just my opinion.

klimis January 1 2004, 17:38:31 UTC

"...numb themselves from the real world."

Dead on with that. I went to Cavalry Chapel once (to see a friend's band) and some of the people I met there just blew my mind. I remember one person commenting on how nice it was to see another young soul in the house of God, I didn't know how to respond to that, I just smiled and walked away. However, the scariest thing I saw, was a group of about 6 or 7 people in a circle, one guy had his hand atop a baby girl's head and they were all chanting. I made my exit quickly after that.

People just seem so detached from reality when they start going on about religion, numb indeed.

iceshark182 January 2 2004, 03:56:35 UTC

Not that I'm majoring in advertsing or anything, but I've seen religious kids speak in tounges in attempts to win over followers of Christ and I feel that their efforts would be much more rewarding if they simply stuck with the time tested peace and love approach. You can catch more bugs with honey than you can with vinegar.

gregkash January 1 2004, 21:51:04 UTC

Ignoring the fact of evolution is pure stubbornness. The evidence is right there. Where is the evidence of god? It's all circumstantial and not proven. It would seem to me any God with any sense at all would it make it abundently clear he was there. "man are created in God's Image" this is also implied to be qualities god has, and since human's have logic, there's no real reason for god to be so hidden. Anyway anyone who ignores evolution is ignoring their own life. In a way, we all are examples of evolution. We all grow up and the different impacts on our life effect the way we grow up and the person we evolve into ( ... )

iceshark182 January 2 2004, 04:04:28 UTC

More and more religions nowadays are accepting the idea of evolution and are incorporating it into their sermons saying that it was God that caused evolution to happen in the first place. While this cannot be proven nor disproven, as with all faith based issues, I think it is very interesting to see the church acting in such a dynamic way, although I'd quess that their motives are not just to simply improve their knowledge base from the scientific evidence that has been uncovered, but rather to keep its followers from questioning the churches' stance on such obvious, factual material, all the while saving face by caliming God as the catalyst.

gregkash January 2 2004, 11:53:05 UTC

I love when religions go "This is the way it is, Don't ask why." I would think one of the basic rights that "god" has given us is the ability to ask "Why" and search for a reason. I view saying "God did it" as saying, "Just because" it's not really an answer, it's an excuse for an answer.

anonymous January 8 2004, 16:23:14 UTC

im not trying to be a ignorant random poster, but i feel that that is absurd. it takes just as much faith to believe there is no higher being as it does to believe there is one. you say there is no proof of God, i say there is no proof that the world was created solely by naturalism.

iceshark182 January 9 2004, 00:36:52 UTC

That is why I classify myself as an AGNOSTIC and not an ATHIEST.

And why is my view absurd? If there is no proof of either, I would be much more drawn to the latter than the former for the simple fact that since there is no proof of a god, that idea could have easily been made up out of thin air, where as at least evoltuion can explain where we came from with fact, not just belief.

And don't be afraid of posting your name. I am not going to personally attack you or something like that. Besides, I like to put a name and face with the person I am talking to.

My tits are big and round j9caf January 8 2004, 19:57:27 UTC

Nice work. Did I sense an echo of Poet from OZ? Just think, you could be in jail getting ass raped by Adebesi for some tits. Now that would inspire some more great poetry. Anywho, keep up the good work.

D-Caff