i'm glad that you hope you are wrong because as much as i logically agree with everything you wrote i don't want it to be that way either. i have been asking myself and others questions about these ideas lately as well and as much as i fight it i find myself coming to similar conclusions. but i am still curious about what it is that makes us want to believe in the romance of it all, that makes us want to believe in something other than a selfish/self-serving motivation behind things
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well, ya but...mineyesNovember 26 2007, 01:53:31 UTC
I like the way you think. I would say that it is still selfish. I mean is it release or is it desire that causes us to think of someone going to heaven or otherwise? I would guess desire. Desire for them to be in a good place because we would feel bad if they were in a bad place. Desire that people can go to a good place so that we have a chance at going there too. Why is heaven all clouds and singing angels and old happy relatives? I think it's because we can't imagine it being like what we know; either because it is so awful or because it is so mundane. What's really weird is the truly happy person who still desires for a HAPPIER afterlife. If someone is happy, why would they want more? Selfishness again. I guess the tricky part is whether me wishing I am wrong is selfishness in itself. I just can't imagine a world where somebodies death would cause little or no reaction. If we all just shrugged our shoulders and marked another line on the wall.
Re: well, ya but...mineyesNovember 26 2007, 03:56:03 UTC
fuck. yeah, wanting it to be more, wanting to be wrong is probably purely selfish. at least when i think of that in terms of myself. dammit, avry. well, i wish it anyway. if i have to be selfish i might as well pick what things i feel okay about being selfish ABOUT.
sometimes i wish that i didn't have such a NEED to over analyze and over think everything. sometimes it makes "good" far too relative and unreachable and practically non-existent. which at times can actually be very comforting, but sometimes i want to believe in magic and fate and romance all of it again. i feel like maybe i was a happier person then, even if a more ignorant, naive and possibly uninteresting person.
this theory DOes make sense in a lot of ways. but what about catastrophic events, things that completely take you by surprise, are so far from the norm that you almost don't even react at all because you have never had something quite like it to react TO
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you should write again. you say such is life (in reference to us not talking anymore), but why is life that way? i apologize, but i am drunk and would like to talk to you again someday. and this seems to be the only way that this happens. oh, livejournal.
p.s. i am moving to portland! maybe i will see you around sometime?
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I would say that it is still selfish. I mean is it release or is it desire that causes us to think of someone going to heaven or otherwise? I would guess desire. Desire for them to be in a good place because we would feel bad if they were in a bad place. Desire that people can go to a good place so that we have a chance at going there too. Why is heaven all clouds and singing angels and old happy relatives? I think it's because we can't imagine it being like what we know; either because it is so awful or because it is so mundane. What's really weird is the truly happy person who still desires for a HAPPIER afterlife. If someone is happy, why would they want more? Selfishness again.
I guess the tricky part is whether me wishing I am wrong is selfishness in itself. I just can't imagine a world where somebodies death would cause little or no reaction. If we all just shrugged our shoulders and marked another line on the wall.
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sometimes i wish that i didn't have such a NEED to over analyze and over think everything. sometimes it makes "good" far too relative and unreachable and practically non-existent. which at times can actually be very comforting, but sometimes i want to believe in magic and fate and romance all of it again. i feel like maybe i was a happier person then, even if a more ignorant, naive and possibly uninteresting person.
i miss talking to you.
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p.s. i am moving to portland! maybe i will see you around sometime?
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