Predestination, Free Will, Honesty, and the Signifcance of Triumph

Apr 06, 2009 12:19


Spoilers through 4.18.

Predestination, Free Will, Honesty, and the Significance of Triumph

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here via heavymeta andreth47 April 7 2009, 03:46:18 UTC
Sam most likely assumed Dean’s issues were about the demon blood itself, but Dean revealed he was most concerned about his behavior. He wasn’t worried because he thought it was Sam’s destiny to go bad but rather Sam’s abuse of free will in the destructive ways he’s been acting - which is within Sam’s power to do something about.

Very interesting the way you bring honesty into it. I like that reading! And you're so right, that they were immediately rewarded for it. Cool.

Great meta! This episode has spawned some wonderful thinkies by fans. Season 4 rocks!!

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Re: here via heavymeta impulsiveanswer April 7 2009, 14:49:50 UTC
Thanks! I love your icon, by the way :)

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Re: here via heavymeta andreth47 April 7 2009, 20:56:03 UTC
It's one of mine. Gank if you want! (PTerry rules.)

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hpaa April 8 2009, 23:32:47 UTC
Hey, am new here... came here via a link on another meta I was reading and really enjoyed it.

I hope you dont mind that I friended you so that I can keep reading!

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impulsiveanswer April 9 2009, 12:31:34 UTC
Thanks!

I don't mind - I friended you back.

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A newby here... :) supernarttu April 21 2009, 21:42:37 UTC
Hi. I just joined LJ but been reading spn_heavymeta for a while and I just want to say that I wanna marry your brain :D

You write so ... genuinely and it's shows that you think about these things alot(your very first meta was mindblowing to me *g*). I could never be so eloquent and put my thoughts to words but I don't have to cause I feel like your inside my head and speaking my mind outloud.

So thanks for that :)

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Re: A newby here... :) impulsiveanswer April 22 2009, 13:01:48 UTC
Thank you - I think that's one of the nicest compliments I've ever gotten about my writing :)

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hearseeno April 30 2009, 00:53:31 UTC
*grrrrrrrrrrrr* "Invalid form submission" my sweet bippy! *shakes LJ* C'mon! Give me my comment back! .... *sigh* Okay, here's my attempt to reconstruct it. *happy place, happy place* Annnnnnd... go!

Really interesting points about Sam having to face his shame before being able to confront Lilith and the empowering role that honesty and the willingness to be vulnerable plays. I'm going to have to ponder that some more. :)

Of utmost importance, though, is the fact that God gave humans free will for a reason and that reason is a part of the master plan, whether or not the angels completely understand what that means.
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The boys have been using their God-given right to choose how to lead their lives in some rather self-destructive ways this season but now they’re starting to realize that lying to themselves (and each other) is only giving the bad guys what they need to win.= Got me thinking about how intertwined themes are in SPN. It seems to me that free will in the brother's decisions about how to respond to the ( ... )

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impulsiveanswer April 30 2009, 12:41:04 UTC
All of which may free them to consciously choose how to respond to each other rather than acting out old, well-worn roles with each other.

Agreed. A huge part of the underlying problem is that neither boy seems to be able to accept that it's okay - natural, even, and not awful/bad/wrong - for he as an individul and his brother to change. Right now they're each trying to have a brotherly relationship with who they were in the past rather than letting their bond mature as they have.

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