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Apr 09, 2009 08:39


Yourlibrarian and threecatmama brought a question to my attention recently: what happened to Sam's visions?  I have a hypothesis...

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lemmings_ April 10 2009, 06:36:00 UTC
See for me, the sticking point in this theory is Ava. She had the same power as Sam and she was one of the psychic children. If they all seem to have been given powers from old yellow eyes, we would immediately assume that they were both utilizing demonic powers. Not visions of the angels / divine visions.

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impulsiveanswer April 11 2009, 14:02:44 UTC
But being a psykid would also mean that Ava would need warnings as well (not to mention it was her dreams that saved Sam). And in both cases the visions seemed to go away after they'd taken up the idea that there was something wrong with them in a demonic sense (I don't count the YED coming to Sam in the first part of All Hell Breaks Loose as a true vision because it was so different from his "normal" visions).

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isaacsapphire April 10 2009, 09:08:16 UTC
I thought it was pretty clear that the YED had selected them specifically because they had innate abilities. The baby in "Salvation" apparently has psychic powers *before* the YED has done anything to her. He similarly seems to recognize something in Mary in "In the Beginning", again no demon blood necessary ( ... )

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impulsiveanswer April 11 2009, 14:11:55 UTC
Of course, this theory does demand that there was some benefit for the YED to have Sam go home and meet his mother's ghost (or, alternatively, that there was a benefit in having Mary's ghost laid to rest. Presumably the YED was the main thing she was pissed at.)

My point exactly - almost none of Sam's visions benefited the YED in any way (and the one in Salvation actually interrupted him and put his life in danger).

And depending on how you're counting them, Sam's last vision was in Cold Oaks when the YED told him directly what was going on.

I personally don't count the Cold Oaks dream as a true vision, just like I don't count the YED dreams that Webber and Scott had as visions. These were about the YED talking to them directly, trying to corrupt them by twisting their desires, fears, and guilt. It wasn't anything like Sam's "normal" visions.

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isaacsapphire April 11 2009, 17:32:39 UTC
The vision in "Salvation" is the big kicker. The YED almost got killed there and his plans for Rosie were messed up. It wouldn't make much sense for him to have been the one to send that vision.

Also, Missouri and Pamela's powers aren't seen as evil; both use them to assist the Winchesters and no one so much as questions their morality.

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etoile444 April 15 2009, 15:13:01 UTC
that's always been a big issue for me too! Why is it ok for Pam and Missouri to be psychic, but Sam is evil? Is it because everyone misunderstands his powers and attributes them to Azazel rather than thinking he'd been born with them?

Isaacsapphire: you make a good point, maybe Azazel didn't send Sam the vision of Rosie?

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