I think an agent of the First must have left the talisman lying about. No idea who. Maybe a Bringer snuck in and did it.
Or, I spose, it could have been Spike in one of his fugue states.
Mostly, I just think it's badly plotted.
I think Buffy didn't disinvite Spike early in Beneath You because she just...wasn't afraid of him. By the end of the episode, why the hell would she? So, a sort of two-pronged answer, which is why I put 'other.'
I'm sure Joyce was the First all the time. Everything she said to Buffy and Dawn was so downbeat and designed to make them feel worse. The real Joyce would never do that.
Or, I spose, it could have been Spike in one of his fugue states.
Doesn't really fit. Why would the First push Spike to do that when the ghosts are clearly trying to keep her from him? My wank is Spike might have done it to protect himself from the First. Or something.
I think Buffy didn't disinvite Spike early in Beneath You because she just...wasn't afraid of him.
Oh, I didn't mean why didn't she do it *in* Beneath You. It's just in that episode we see he hasn't been uninvited. Why didn't she do it over the summer, though? Myself, probably a variety of factors. After what happened with Willow, probably not something she even thought. I remember big discussions on it back then.
I'm sure Joyce was the First all the time. Everything she said to Buffy and Dawn was so downbeat and designed to make them feel worse. The real Joyce would never do that.
Was she, though? She was to Dawn, clearly sowing seeds of doubt in her mind. With Buffy she's giving good advice and telling her to get some rest, which she needs.
Oh, I didn't mean why didn't she do it *in* Beneath You. It's just in that episode we see he hasn't been uninvited. Why didn't she do it over the summer, though?
Ooh, I see! I completely misunderstood that one.
I think she probably just didn't think of it. If she thought about Spike at all, she probably just thought that he was gone for good, and good riddance.
You're right about Joyce giving good advice, but I still think the was the First. Trying to lull Buffy into believing it was her mum by being nice to her.
Well, there is the curious note in the script about her being pained when he left. I don't know. I think they just completely dropped the ball on that all around.
But yeah, I think it's something that didn't cross her mind. And if it did, there was no one to do it anyway. I suppose she could have probably done it since Will did it in S2, so it couldn't have been greatly complicated.
I think it was Wood, though I had never thought of that before.
And I don't see any reason that Buffy should fear Spike. The only reason he got the jump on her was because she trusted him, and she would not make that mistake again. Even then she damn near kicked him through the wall.
I did think that you meant in this episode - and I couldn't see any reason to disinvite him. He's insane but evidently harmless.
I never thought about it either, tbh. It just popped into my head. You could make a case for Amy, too, which is the only one that explains why it might have been in the Girls' room. Naturally it's like shapinglight said: just a contrivance, but I think about these things
I like that because it leads me to wonder what Robin's game was and how much he knew. Did he know Spike was in Sunnydale? He had been looking for him for a long time!
Amy - it could happen but there would be no reason in the series arc. I kinda like the thought of a Machiavellian Robin Wood.
It is in the questions and the contrivances that stories are born. They can turn into full blown fanfic, or they can just be satisfying pieces of the puzzle.
Were it Wood, I don't know if he knew Spike was even in SD at that point, much less ducking out in the basement. His motivation at that point, I think, would have had to have been focused on Buffy, which might explain the placement in the bathroom.
I kinda like the thought of a Machiavellian Robin Wood.
He is a planner as we know from FD and the rather elaborate attempt to kill Spike.
Your answer options are all believable and make sense. It's kinda difficult to choose.
1) I've always thought it was a student. As you say, they didn't just forget about magic, just because Buffy wasn't there anymore.
2) I think a combination of all the answers: Tara was dead and Willow was in England so maybe Buffy wasn't really thinking about the spell. Plus she could kick Spike's ass if he showed up again. But maybe she thought he wouldn't. A combo of all the answers.
3) FU writers. It was ambiguous and something I didn't care about.
4) I'm going with First for Dawn, subsconscious for Buffy.
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Or, I spose, it could have been Spike in one of his fugue states.
Mostly, I just think it's badly plotted.
I think Buffy didn't disinvite Spike early in Beneath You because she just...wasn't afraid of him. By the end of the episode, why the hell would she? So, a sort of two-pronged answer, which is why I put 'other.'
I'm sure Joyce was the First all the time. Everything she said to Buffy and Dawn was so downbeat and designed to make them feel worse. The real Joyce would never do that.
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Or, I spose, it could have been Spike in one of his fugue states.
Doesn't really fit. Why would the First push Spike to do that when the ghosts are clearly trying to keep her from him? My wank is Spike might have done it to protect himself from the First. Or something.
I think Buffy didn't disinvite Spike early in Beneath You because she just...wasn't afraid of him.
Oh, I didn't mean why didn't she do it *in* Beneath You. It's just in that episode we see he hasn't been uninvited. Why didn't she do it over the summer, though? Myself, probably a variety of factors. After what happened with Willow, probably not something she even thought. I remember big discussions on it back then.
I'm sure Joyce was the First all the time. Everything she said to Buffy and Dawn was so downbeat and designed to make them feel worse. The real Joyce would never do that.
Was she, though? She was to Dawn, clearly sowing seeds of doubt in her mind. With Buffy she's giving good advice and telling her to get some rest, which she needs.
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Ooh, I see! I completely misunderstood that one.
I think she probably just didn't think of it. If she thought about Spike at all, she probably just thought that he was gone for good, and good riddance.
You're right about Joyce giving good advice, but I still think the was the First. Trying to lull Buffy into believing it was her mum by being nice to her.
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and good riddance.
Well, there is the curious note in the script about her being pained when he left. I don't know. I think they just completely dropped the ball on that all around.
But yeah, I think it's something that didn't cross her mind. And if it did, there was no one to do it anyway. I suppose she could have probably done it since Will did it in S2, so it couldn't have been greatly complicated.
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And I don't see any reason that Buffy should fear Spike. The only reason he got the jump on her was because she trusted him, and she would not make that mistake again. Even then she damn near kicked him through the wall.
I did think that you meant in this episode - and I couldn't see any reason to disinvite him. He's insane but evidently harmless.
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I never thought about it either, tbh. It just popped into my head. You could make a case for Amy, too, which is the only one that explains why it might have been in the Girls' room. Naturally it's like shapinglight said: just a contrivance, but I think about these things
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Amy - it could happen but there would be no reason in the series arc. I kinda like the thought of a Machiavellian Robin Wood.
It is in the questions and the contrivances that stories are born. They can turn into full blown fanfic, or they can just be satisfying pieces of the puzzle.
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Were it Wood, I don't know if he knew Spike was even in SD at that point, much less ducking out in the basement. His motivation at that point, I think, would have had to have been focused on Buffy, which might explain the placement in the bathroom.
I kinda like the thought of a Machiavellian Robin Wood.
He is a planner as we know from FD and the rather elaborate attempt to kill Spike.
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1) I've always thought it was a student. As you say, they didn't just forget about magic, just because Buffy wasn't there anymore.
2) I think a combination of all the answers: Tara was dead and Willow was in England so maybe Buffy wasn't really thinking about the spell. Plus she could kick Spike's ass if he showed up again. But maybe she thought he wouldn't. A combo of all the answers.
3) FU writers. It was ambiguous and something I didn't care about.
4) I'm going with First for Dawn, subsconscious for Buffy.
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