Spike v Angel

Mar 10, 2016 11:55

This debate still goes on, which is the "better" vampire. It's a thing of passion for fans even now. Obviously there are the subjective reasons. We like one more than the other and look for reasons to prove our opinion. Thing is, the factors pointed to are not terribly well-constructed across both shows or even in a single season ( Read more... )

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frelling_tralk March 11 2016, 14:00:35 UTC
The problem here is that Joss simply used this as a way to prove to the audience that this isn't Angel anymore and didn't think more on it than that. The Judge then burns Dalton because he enjoys reading.

Yeah the writers were always contradicting themselves when it came to what the soul was supposed to mean, if you go by the early episodes then vampires would basically be little more than mindless animals, but time and time again the vampires were given enough character and complexity that we know that's not true, so it really didn't make a lot of sense for the Judge to threaten to burn vampires simply for enjoying reading or feeling jealousy. In fact Ats in Hero put forth the argument that vampires are seen by ~pure demons~ as a corrupted form of demon with too much humanity in them, so in that case the Judge should really have been burning all of the vampires, including Angelus ( ... )

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infinitewhale March 11 2016, 20:42:43 UTC

In S4 Jane said a soul was basically a conscience which more or less fits with most of the show. The extent of a consciences effect on someone is up to the reader. Can you love without one and all that.

I think vamps were meant to be able to love, but not a real "human" kind, which would explain both Darla, Angel and Spike's stance changes after the soul. Even Spike says everything he felt went deeper in S7.

But yeah, they were just making crap up as they went along. Kinda understandable given Angel was like a roach the WB wouldn't let Joss kill. :P

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ext_2325383 March 11 2016, 15:10:28 UTC
I find those Spike vs Angel debates hilarious. They are palette swaps you silly people, what are you even arguing about?

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infinitewhale March 11 2016, 20:53:12 UTC

What, he's like Angel?

No!

Sort of.

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Angel's dull as a table lamp and we have very different coloring.

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ext_2325383 March 12 2016, 21:22:13 UTC
I mean, the differences between you and me, and you and him...endless! Okay, sure, on the surface, we're both vampires with souls...essence of the same demon in us...fighting the forces of darkness, but look deeper and...

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Well, for starters, I'm British and he's Irish! Night and bloody day!

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