"3. Laws that say women must be vaginally raped with an object before they're allowed to get an abortion.
Say what? ::blinks:: Seriously? "
Seriously. Laws that says you have to undergo a 'medical procedure' that involves taking a long ultrasound wand (around 7-8 inches long, from my experience, and around 1/2-1 inch diameter) and pushing it inside you, which you cannot refuse or you will be denied an abortion. This is to show you what the collection of cells inside you looks like in hopes you'll change your mind. Because women aren't smart enough to know their own minds, and if they think they are then they damn well should be punished for wanting control over what happens to their bodies.
3. Took me a minute to realize what you were talking about. While I believe there need to be strict regulations on mid-to-late 2nd and all 3rd trimester abortions, I don't get the point of that ultrasound thing at all. By dragging it out that way and the time they're taking to schedule one of those, in most cases the abortion could've been done before the fetus begins to feel pain at 10 weeks, so they're just making it worse.
The ones that really piss me off are the ones who not only want to eliminate ALL abortions (even cases of rape/incest and the mother's life being in danger - which to me is the ONLY excuse for a 3rd trimester abortion), but also prevent people from having access to birth control - you can't have it both ways!
To be honest, I believe the right to make medical decisions about your body should be available to everyone (unless you're mentally incapacitated and that's been diagnosed by at least two qualified medical professionals). What I, or anyone else, thinks about what's right and wrong about abortion is irrelevant when there's one woman making a personal medical decision about her body and her life. The anti-choice rhetoric is so pervasive (and mostly so very wrong) and it just gets in the way of the real question: should women have the right to decide what to do with their bodies? Yes. Simple as that. Whether I (or anyone else who is not that woman, particularly MPs or similar) agree with any particular woman's reasons or not is completely irrelevant, and should be irrelevant when it comes to providing that woman with healthcare support. Women deserve healthcare. Women are autonomous beings who have rights over their own bodies.
This topic makes me quite angry; sorry to be blunt here.
No problem with bluntness, I can be the same. Late term abortion is one of my hot spots. I don't agree with it at any stage, but I'm willing to keep my mouth shut when it comes to rape victims, health issues, and early term abortion of non-viable embryos/fetuses, because in those cases it is about the woman.
A child can be born at 20 weeks and survive outside the woman's body. At that point it is no longer about the woman - unless it's something exceptional like her life being in danger.
A woman who is sexually active and has made the choice to do so when she doesn't want children, should be able to tell well before that point that she is pregnant and take care of it promptly. To wait 5 months or longer is beyond ridiculous, it's sociopathic.
Quite frankly AFAIC if a woman waits that long to have a VOLUNTARY abortion (not medically necessary or other special circumstances) she should be immediately steralized.
The world record for a baby surviving is just under 22 weeks. Anything under 28 weeks is deemed to be extremely premature, and the likelihood of the baby surviving without medical problems are slim - below 28 weeks the organs are not fully developed, and the lungs in particular cause real problems in these babies. Many don't survive at all
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Well - yes. I think one of the most frustrating things about the whole marriage discussion is that it's beginning from a baseline of 'marriage between one man and one woman is the only normal, natural way to be' - and I use those words 'normal' and 'natural' despairingly. Traditional marriage is an artifical cultural construct that is neither the only way to live ethically and honestly and joyously with others, nor the most obviously sensible. Arguably, for millennia we lived far more communally, and thta makes all sorts of sense. Many of the modern ills of stress and anxiety stem, I believe, from the capitalist, middle class way of living with one family in one house, separate from others. The lack of support, especially for women who now must do alone what several generations of women used to do together - cook, clean, gather supplies, raise children, service the bloke - is what, I think , causes so many problems for women (and by extension, men).
Traditional marriage is where a man buys one or more women from their father(s) and is her new owner. The one man, one woamn version where payment of some kind isn't involved is pretty recent and not yet common in all countries. All this talk of tradition always makes me boggle.
Im with you on the community plan. Lets go back to that and we'll all have a lot more friends, if nothing else!
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Say what? ::blinks:: Seriously? "
Seriously. Laws that says you have to undergo a 'medical procedure' that involves taking a long ultrasound wand (around 7-8 inches long, from my experience, and around 1/2-1 inch diameter) and pushing it inside you, which you cannot refuse or you will be denied an abortion. This is to show you what the collection of cells inside you looks like in hopes you'll change your mind. Because women aren't smart enough to know their own minds, and if they think they are then they damn well should be punished for wanting control over what happens to their bodies.
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2. Who? LOL
3. Took me a minute to realize what you were talking about. While I believe there need to be strict regulations on mid-to-late 2nd and all 3rd trimester abortions, I don't get the point of that ultrasound thing at all. By dragging it out that way and the time they're taking to schedule one of those, in most cases the abortion could've been done before the fetus begins to feel pain at 10 weeks, so they're just making it worse.
The ones that really piss me off are the ones who not only want to eliminate ALL abortions (even cases of rape/incest and the mother's life being in danger - which to me is the ONLY excuse for a 3rd trimester abortion), but also prevent people from having access to birth control - you can't have it both ways!
4. Heh, in Indiana that can happen in 1 day. ;)
5. Really!
6-8. Ugh!
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This topic makes me quite angry; sorry to be blunt here.
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A child can be born at 20 weeks and survive outside the woman's body. At that point it is no longer about the woman - unless it's something exceptional like her life being in danger.
A woman who is sexually active and has made the choice to do so when she doesn't want children, should be able to tell well before that point that she is pregnant and take care of it promptly. To wait 5 months or longer is beyond ridiculous, it's sociopathic.
Quite frankly AFAIC if a woman waits that long to have a VOLUNTARY abortion (not medically necessary or other special circumstances) she should be immediately steralized.
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Im with you on the community plan. Lets go back to that and we'll all have a lot more friends, if nothing else!
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