Mr Rooney is raggedhalo aka a Green Party activist.
Btw - have let that whole Cthulu plan slide again, I'll drop you and J a lline tomorrow and see if we can kick start things again if you're still interested?
We should also see about doing food and gossip at some point in the not-too-distant!
A tax black hole from people not driving would not be such a bad thing. Saves $$$s (no pound sign on Luxembourg keyboard, sorry!) on... well... lots of things. E.g. road building. Plus decreases congestion, who knows what else. But, frankly, how else do you expect to get people to behave in an environmentally friendly fashion? Mock it if you will, Mr. S - but this is the future. Get used to it.
As I replied below - I do not mock environmental taxation as a means to change peoples' behaviour, I do however question the maths from the Lib Dems.
Also, will the savings on road building cover the cost of improving public transport to the necesssary extent and if not, where is the money going to come from - the LDs proposal (as I've seen it presented) is that the overall amount of revenue will remain the same, just from different sources.
I also think we should maybe worry about a tax black hole, because even if the savings on roads etc cover public transport, how much of those lost billions of revenue will be taken out of health, or education?
In short - tax polluters is a yay! But invest the revenue in making it easier to continue reducing pollution rather than relying on it to fund basic services.
So, either the tax works and ... there's a tax black hole ... or ... the environment still gets destroyed.What, a bit like the Climate Change Levy, you mean? Or fuel tax? Or carbon credit trading? Have I missed any other similar Labour policies? If you don't have the environmental taxes, then by your apparent reasoning you don't get the revenue *and* the environment still gets destroyed
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I'm not against enviro-taxes, especially as means to change people's behaviour. However, as I've seen it presented, the LDs are stating that this increase will account for c.£8bn of the £18bn lost by a 2p cut in the base rate
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they are presumably basing that new income on current figures or car-use etc
That's one presumption, but it's possible that they're basing it on projected figures, either with our without some assumptions about how much car-ownership would change under their scheme.
a major increase in spending would be needed prior to that switchover for people to be able to make the switch
I said the exact same thing about the London congestion charge. I've been forced to accept that this is an issue on which no major party will behave well.
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Btw - have let that whole Cthulu plan slide again, I'll drop you and J a lline tomorrow and see if we can kick start things again if you're still interested?
We should also see about doing food and gossip at some point in the not-too-distant!
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Also, will the savings on road building cover the cost of improving public transport to the necesssary extent and if not, where is the money going to come from - the LDs proposal (as I've seen it presented) is that the overall amount of revenue will remain the same, just from different sources.
I also think we should maybe worry about a tax black hole, because even if the savings on roads etc cover public transport, how much of those lost billions of revenue will be taken out of health, or education?
In short - tax polluters is a yay! But invest the revenue in making it easier to continue reducing pollution rather than relying on it to fund basic services.
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That's one presumption, but it's possible that they're basing it on projected figures, either with our without some assumptions about how much car-ownership would change under their scheme.
a major increase in spending would be needed prior to that switchover for people to be able to make the switch
I said the exact same thing about the London congestion charge. I've been forced to accept that this is an issue on which no major party will behave well.
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