9/11

[timiathan]

So any of you intellectual people out there think that 9/11 was an inside job and Bin Laden is a CIA operative? Anyone think the London Bombings smack of the same thing, that we're all positioning ourselves strategically for the impending global energy crisis? And what about the last three election cycles, anyone think we still live in a

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[communismkeke]

What the fuck is this flamebait shit?

[timiathan]

Oh, I forgot, this community isn't a place for intelligent discussion, it's a place for pretentious pricks to loudmouth their way to the top of the shit heap, and that's why it died. My bad.

[bravest_unsaid]

1. I've heard nothing but speculation about this and, although I'm not skeptical re: our gov't's potential to behave this way, I just haven't been able to find evidence.

2. I've heard a little more about the London bombings but I haven't properly investigated it yet, partially for lack of time and partially because the potential truth freaks the hell out of me.

3. Sure, there's democracy. Those voting machines in Ohio are just really politically passionate. /sarcasm

[_themockturtle_]

little prince!

[timiathan]

I'll just do one, look below for two,

1) My favorite nugget, that's more than speculation, is the fact that fire has only brought down a steel-framed skyscraper three times in history, and all three times were that day. Hardcased black boxes in the tail of an aircraft have only been unrecoverable three times in history, and all three times where that day. Couple those coincidences with the weird ones that every time there's a terrist attack, there just happens to be an anti-terrorist exercise planned for the exact day, location, and type of attack, and you've got one bizarre situation.

Most of it is just speculation, though, because no one ever had a chance to investigate the evidence, with the rubble being shipped immediately to, of all places, China for destruction. If you look into it at all, it's obvious we don't have the whole story...and what really happened is anybody's guess.

[_themockturtle_]

Few steel-framed skyscrapers that have caught afire have done so through the impact of a plane. I can think of only one that has, the Empire State Building itself (though no doubt there are others), but then again, it was hit by a b-25 a bomber that carries less than 1,000 gallons of fuel. The world trade center was hit by two plans carrying almost 100 times as much, a boeing 767 for instance, which carries more than 90,000 gallons of fuel. It seems entirely plausible to me that such an impact can cause the destruction of a skyscraper, even a steel reinforced one. The arguments needed to convince me that the entire attack was an exercise by (wait who are you talking about? The problem with conspiracies is there as so many people that fit the bill of blame)... far exceed those that convince me this was a sadly preventable tragedy and that some will stop at nothing to prove their point. Occam's razor

[_themockturtle_]

With the US almost everything seems to be an inside job in one way or the other. South American dictators, Eastern Europe and the breakaway republics, until it turns into this idea that the US sticks there nose where they don't belong (which they do) and that they're incredibly short sighted(which they are) and that no one in the administration has any idea what they're doing (which is false). The people in the government who have a clue don't have a voice, namely the intelligence bureau at the State Department, and it's partly the fault of the American people who have this silly preoccupation with the CIA, either as good or evil

[timiathan]

It hasn't been widely published, but it has been discussed on BBC Radio and (surprisingly) FoxNews, and written in near-mainstream papers, that just like the morning of 9/11, the attacked government happened to have an anti-terrist drill planned that perfectly mirrored the one that actually happened.

At the exact time and locations the London Bombings occured, Visor Consultants, a PR firm, was working with British authorties on a 1000 man crisis exercise in which the subway stops were bombed. (http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=372)

audio from bbc radio talking about it.Then there was the story in the Associated Press that Scottland Yard warned former Israel Prime Minister Netanyahu a half hour before the first bomb went off, so he stayed in his hotel room

[_themockturtle_]

I don't trust Fox News anymore. It's docudrama instead of news. Most news stations show biased information, and you have to sort of play the data game and compare and ocntrast what you see and hear. It's annoying, but then again, so is misinformation.

I haven't heard a single thing about the crisis tests, and no wonder, there's something fishy about that, but I see it as a stretch to say that it smacks of our positioning ourselves strategically for the impending global energy crisis.

Yeah, there's something off, but it's not that it boils down to a sole corporation or two running the world, which is the extension of what you're speculating.

[timiathan]

You mean there was a time when you DID trust Fox News?! The point there was that, even Fox News, who's on the other team, has reported some of this stuff. I can't trust anything in the mainstream anymore. I mean, maybe if CNN is telling me about the latest white girl to be abducted, I assume they're not making it up...but any kind of newsource like that is a complete waste of time. We're in the territory of that old X-Files show now: Trust no one

[shirou]

Bin Laden a CIA operative? Unless you have some kind of evidence, I would think that ludicrous. We hold part of the blame for 9/11 because we were not able to stop it: the first duty of a government is to protect the people it represents. President Clinton is largely to blame for our inability to stop the attacks because of the tremendous cuts he made to the budgets of the CIA and the foreign service. He also allowed legislation to pass that inhibited the ability of our various intelligence agencies to share information with one another.

I am aware of nothing that would suggest that the London bombings were an 'inside job.'

We do live in a democracy, and we're suffering for it. Socialism and mediocrity are the natural consequences of allowing the majority to rule. Liberty is sacrificed to the will of the masses. Science is ignored in favor of politico-religious dogma. The government don't need to justify its actions rationally when it can justify them by appealing to fleeting social values.

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[timiathan]

It hasn't been widely published, but it has been discussed on BBC Radio and (surprisingly) FoxNews, and written in near-mainstream papers, that just like the morning of 9/11, the attacked government happened to have an anti-terrist drill planned that perfectly mirrored the one that actually happened

[__mouse]

Right on, Democracy and media-faith are flukes, brother.

[timiathan]

Man, this is an old post. Wish I could say it was no longer relevant.