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[intr0spection]

I am a rabid atheist.

This puts me in one of the most distrusted minorities out there. I am among the group you are least likely to be ok with your daughter to marrying. I am also in the group that thinks its ok for people to marry whoever they want. I am in the group that thinks its wrong to allow cells to die when they could be used to heal

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[ilovellamas]

100% agree. being religious doesn't make you a good person or a moral person. we can be that on our own :o)

[intr0spection]

btw, thanks everyone else seems to not agree :-)

[ilovellamas]

i am the lone ranger :o) and wow, i had no idea this was going to cause such a stir. it's actually interesting because today i was talking to my mom and this topic sort of came up, more or less. i said that for the most part to be religious means that you technically have to discriminate against something or someone.

[luckavery]

I am not sure if it's just how it's written or what you were meaning to say, but I am getting the impression that you are saying only rabid atheists are in the group that agrees with these things. It also seems to say that anyone of any religion would not agree with these things.

I also find it funny that rabid atheists seem to be one of the groups least likely to try to understand where another person is coming from, and one of the groups most like to have the knee-jerk reaction of "no, you're wrong" without even hearing what the other person has to say, right up there with Fundamentalist Christians. As a person whose judgement is not clouded by someone else's preconceived notion, clearly you are more enlightened than the other person.

Fundamentalism is never okay, regardless of it's form.

Well I deffinetly disagree

[intr0spection]

I guess when it comes to the "no your wrong" statement it depends on what you are talking about. If you tell me the world was created 4000 years ago I am probably not going to say anything, I'm just going to look at you like you are insane. On the other hand if you suggest that there was a group of small proto-humans that lived thousands of years ago on a small pacific island I would do some research and concede the possibility. Please do respond and explain why I should accept both statements equally as your e-mail seems to imply.

In the end the message wasn't meant to convince people to be atheist. It was a statement of how odd it is that we are so distrusted and how very unfair it is. Not everyone who is religious disagrees with my statements BUT MOST DO. That isn't a statement of opinion, go online and look at the surveys, look up the facts.

Re: Well I deffinetly disagree

[luckavery]

I didn't think that you were trying to convince people to be atheists. But using statements like most people who are religious disagree with my statements make you look like an ass, and an uneducated ass at that. I would go into this more, but I think nikki covered it okay. The entire body of Christianity doesn't even necessarily disagree with your statements, much less every religion in the world. That would be like saying all people of the Muslim faith are as bat-shit as osama bin laden or whoever else you want to pick. What you have created here is a gross oversimplicity of everyone who is not Tarynn, which is a very dangerous thing

Re: Well I deffinetly disagree

[intr0spection]

I love you bug. I think you are a very intelligent person but several of your statements make you look like an uneducated ass. How many states in our country have passed constitutional amendments that forbid gay marriage? Please look it up and reply to me with a number. Do any of these states allow amendments to be made to their constitutions by a minority? How many states have specifically worded laws that define marriage as something between one man and one woman? Bug I think you have made the false assumption that what you personally observe can be applied to a larger group. The fact is you live in a state where the majority is so bigoted they passed an amendment that not only forbid gay marriage but any type of civil union too. Once again please not I don't make the "All" statement, I make the "majority" statement

[intr0spection]

I wasn't trying to prove my rabidity. We discussed some of this but I will reiterate. I doesn't mater how you feel about religion Atheist are the most distrusted group in our country. Without a doubt I agree religion is a super diverse group as Arcadia stated it can be difficult to define exactly what religion is. The problem is a lot of people think the free thinking religious people are a large portion of the group as a whole. When you look at surveys and elections you find intolerance is by far the majority opinion

[maramore]

The 33% percent of the world that is christian includes Protestants, Catholics, Mormons, Jehova Witnesses, Anglicans, Quakers, Seventh Day Adventists, Christian Scientists... etc

hmmm

[intr0spection]

I fully recognize that Christianity represents a large number of sects the largest by far being the catholics. As a whole one can draw certain conclusions, while not all, most christians oppose gay marriage, most oppose abortion, the numbers are dropping and soon the research will receive federal funding but a good portion also oppose stem cell research. The sects are different but the ways by which they seek to control my life tend to be rather similar

Re: hmmm

[maramore]

My first reason for being anti-abortion is that at conception genetic identity happens. A genetic identity that has never been and will never be again. This identity is the very beggining of an individual's lifespan- the very end is death. Through out the lifespan the individual is continuously entering and exiting different stages in his/her life. It seems logical to me that this person's life has value the entire time, because this person is who he/or she is at the beggining , the middle, the end. At no point will this individual BE anyone other than exactly what their DNA says they are. Someone's journey has begun. To assign worth and thus human rights at any other point seems less logical and more like justification . Most of us see a newborn and assign the most worth to them . They are to be the most protected of our species. They are not yet self-aware, they can not take care of themselves. Many of us have the emotional attachment to appearance and assign human worth to the unborn at what time in their development he/she

Re: hmmm

[maramore]

As for embryonic stem cell research I can not , in good concience be for it. I am not exactly certain about all the details involving it- if extra embryos are harvested at fertility clinics specifically for this research. I heard , and I haven't looked into it for myself that at one institution women who wanted to have invitro done were required to sign a waiver stating all embryos not implanted in them would be used for research and that any extra eggs harvested from them would be the property of the clinic Also to be used for research at a later time. They could/would then later fertilize these eggs themselves specifically for research purposes. To purposefully concieve human offspring only to kill them seems even more unethical to me than if a woman were to "accidentally" get pregnant and terminate. I also feel like accepting embryonic stem cell research as "ok" just further drives the cultural programming that the embryo, and the unborn in his/her earliest stages of life isn't life at all