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in_the_end January 1 2010, 20:24:04 UTC
My immediate thought was that it was obvs way in the future so it is quite easy to work in. SHE LOOKED FUCKING AWESOME, THOUGH. I WAS SO PLEASED TO SEE HER WHEN I REALLY THOUGHT WE WOULDN'T.

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ionlylurkhere January 1 2010, 20:38:50 UTC
Yeah, it was great to see her. I quite like that they do occasionally sort of manage to keep spoilers.

But even casual fans I was watching with were all "but isn't she engaged to that doctor bloke?". Ha.

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drho January 1 2010, 20:39:42 UTC
Martha's hair was so long. It must have been years in the future.

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londonkds January 1 2010, 20:41:06 UTC
Yep, I think that was meant to be Rassilon coming back like King Arthur but turning out to be as evil as subtext has always hinted he was.

I dunno, the rumours around Claire Bloom's character were that she was going to be the Doctor's mother and I think that's still a possibility.

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ionlylurkhere January 1 2010, 20:44:41 UTC
I like the King Arthur parallel, hadn't thought of that. I'm not sure subtext has always hinted at Rassilon being evil, though there are certainly some things in there, particularly during Seven's era.

I dunno, the rumours around Claire Bloom's character were that she was going to be the Doctor's mother and I think that's still a possibility.

Clearly my batshit Romanafannishness coming through, then, but the bit about being "lost a long time ago" or whatever immediately made me think of E-Space.

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getawaywithit January 1 2010, 21:08:18 UTC
Confidential made a point of showing Moffat at the filming of Smith's scene, and Euros talking about all the meetings he had about it, so I think Davies didn't write anything after the regeneration.

Oh, and it was clearly Romana, giving the Doctor a 'remember that time when you had to tell me to stand aside so you could shoot something behind me?' look.

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nonelvis January 2 2010, 02:48:22 UTC
The Martha/Mickey thing made me facepalm a bit, though I agree that Freema's hair was gorgeous. Not that she isn't gorgeous normally, of course, but the braids really suited her.

I also agree that the raging about dying felt a bit like RTD/Tennant projecting feelings about leaving, though I give Tennant credit for getting Euros Lyn to back off on an overemotional take of Ten's final line, because Tennant felt it was out of character. If only Tennant had said the same things to Rusty. Sigh.

Overall, I liked this episode better than the last one ... but that's not saying much.

No, Eleven, having hair longer than a crewcut does not in fact make you a girl.

Actually, this line didn't bother me at all, possibly because both Tennant and Smith have far longer hair than I do ;)

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ionlylurkhere January 2 2010, 10:37:12 UTC
I give Tennant credit for getting Euros Lyn to back off on an overemotional take of Ten's final line, because Tennant felt it was out of character.

Ah, I didn't watch the Confidential; that's quite interesting.

Overall, I liked this episode better than the last one ... but that's not saying much.

For an RTD two parter it's a miracle!

Actually, this line didn't bother me at all, possibly because both Tennant and Smith have far longer hair than I do ;)

Thinking about it, it wasn't so much the line itself as the way he played the reaction to the idea that he might be a girl. I don't want to become one of those people who tries to predict Moff Tiem's issues ahead of time but it doesn't fill me with joy.

I clearly need to go and get more icons.

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rob_t_firefly January 2 2010, 19:11:34 UTC
Billie Piper really can't do Rose's voice any more, can she?

Thank you! I was beginning to feel like the only one who noticed that.

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