In which my government continues to lose the statistician vote

Jun 29, 2010 16:15

Granted, the Harper government's contempt for data-based policy is well-documented, but surely they wouldn't rely on a self-selected study to glean important information about the Canadian population, right?

Wrong!

The Conservative government is scrapping the mandatory long census form for the 2011 census, replacing it with a voluntary national ( Read more... )

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telso June 30 2010, 01:58:21 UTC
Peter Morrison, assistant chief statistician responsible for the census, said that he knows of no other country that has made a similar move. He would not confirm that the idea was not one proposed by Statistics Canada, nor would he or Bender address whether the move is something statisticians agree with.

"Our role is to execute the decision that was made [by the government]," he said, adding that he is optimistic it can be a success.

Translation: this is idiotic and it's not our idea, but if I say anything against it I'll get fired.

Also:

New questions will be added to the national survey, including ones about commuting time, child care and religion.

Let's make the "long" form even longer! Also, we already have satisfactory methods of getting data on child care and commuting time, for example: we have a sample (or samples) of 10,000 people Stats Can asks these questions to, and they can extrapolate this onto the whole population precisely because they have a completely random, by definition, 1/5 sample of Canadian households, ( ... )

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isomorphisms June 30 2010, 02:06:58 UTC
Statistics Canada has been called the best statistical agency in the world. I'm sure the actual statisticians there are incredibly annoyed at this policy; I wonder if the people who use this data will notice, let alone care.

I wonder too. Hmm....:

Some employees say the agency will lose its status as the best statistical office in the world.

One Statistics Canada source said the move could have a negative impact on the dozens of provincial governments, community groups and other organizations that depend on the data for developing policy.

“It will be a disaster. A lot of policy across Canada has been based on that long form,” the source said.

And,

Insiders who spoke to The Canadian Press on condition of anonymity decry a new world order within the agency since the Conservatives came to power in 2006 and legendary chief statistician Ivan Fellegi retired.

Employees were told a little over a year ago that there would be less emphasis on analysis. A highly praised survey on immigrants to Canada, for example, has been axed. Other ( ... )

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telso June 30 2010, 02:43:32 UTC
Just found that one, too. Another:

"This change was made to reasonably limit what many Canadians felt was an intrusion of their personal privacy," said Erik Waddell, a spokesman for Industry Minister Tony Clement (Statistics Canada falls under the purview of Industry Canada).

The decision to change the census came from the federal government and not from the ministry or Statistics Canada, he said. (emphasis mine)

Excerpts from a 1995 speech called "Characteristics of an Effective Statistical System" by Ivan Fellegi, the Chief Statistician of Canada for nearly a quarter of a century (having worked for Stats Can for nearly 30 years at that point), who was largely responsible for Stats Can's world renowned reputation (he's also the first MSc and PhD graduate of Carleton University):

In Canada there is a Statistics Act which lays down several main points. It establishes a mandate for the statistical office -- Statistics Canada -- which, in terms of subject coverage, is virtually unlimited. It also identifies all information requests ( ... )

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isomorphisms June 30 2010, 02:52:48 UTC
Thanks for the link to that speech; will read in full later. The excerpt was awesome; it, and the fact that Canada has a Statistics Act (squeee!) makes me happy to be Canadian. I'd never heard of Fellegi before today, but he seems like exactly the kind of person who should be leading StatsCan; I'm not surprised that StatsCan's reputation soared under his leadership.

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easwaran June 30 2010, 22:29:26 UTC
I guess conservatives up there have the same "principled objections" to census forms as those in the country I live in? Between this and the "deficit reduction" agreement, and the crazy full-page ads I saw in the New Yorker advertising Canada as a "low tax" and "business friendly" country, I think now we can start tarring Republicans as the ones that want to Canadianize the US. (Or is that "Canadianise"?)

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isomorphisms July 1 2010, 03:44:57 UTC
Eh, it's my government that has decided that it should be designing policy based on what has been definitely shown NOT to work in the US.

But, as I said to telso in my latest entry, I'm not completely unsympathetic to people who don't want to divulge their information to the government - though, as telso points out, Americans have more reason than Canadians to worry that their information will be used against them. I'm just floored by the fact that my government has decided to come to a "compromise" that will still cost a lot of time and money, but, unlike the mandatory form, won't actually yield useful information.

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isomorphisms July 1 2010, 04:25:04 UTC
Heh, the former chief statistician agrees with me:

"It would have been a heck of a lot better if this long-form census was cancelled because at least we would have saved $100 million - that would have had a rationale," Fellegi said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

"To come out with something (voluntary) that has uncertain quality, and certainly for some groups it will be unpublishable quality, is not something that I can understand."

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telso July 1 2010, 05:02:49 UTC
They're buckling. Unfortunately, it's on the "information will no longer be public after 92 years" issue, and not that the information will be biased.

But as it said in the article about Fellegi displaying utter contempt for this ridiculous measure, "He joins a chorus of groups, including the Federation of Canadian Municipalities, the Canadian Council on Social Development and others who rely on the detailed data to make major public policy decisions." Those aren't pansy statisticians; the FCM has some major sway (well, on a relative scale). And the Liberals are lining up against this, from a statistical viewpoint.

One day and backtracking has already started. One step at a time.

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isomorphisms July 1 2010, 14:40:01 UTC
Excellent. Happy Canada Day!

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