BtVS 5x22: The Gift [The Issue with Spuffy]

[istne_pieklo]

In my book, Buffy the Vampire Slayer (and Angel too) is a damn well near a perfect show. That is not to say I deny that they both have flaws (the treatment of Cordelia in Angel season 4 is the biggest one), but Joss creates such a perfect blend of amazing characterization, poignant and witty writing and great style that these flaws are hard to

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[red_satin_doll]

I'm also here from the su-herald's link and how did I not know about you before? Any friend of Buffy's.... :) I've already replied to rebcake upthread that I pretty much agree with her reading; Buffy trusts Spike with the most important people in her life, Dawn and Joyce, after all. But she also challenges him to behave better, to be something/someone better in a way Drusilla never did (Dru wanted him to stay the same). On the surface layer Buffy may think demons can't change, but she's implied that he can in telling him that his old behavior isn't good enough. Also, I agree with whoever suggested that Spike is reflecting his own ideas about what "treat me like a man" means. he hasn't been a man in over 100 years. I think for him that her kiss in Intervention would be part of his definition of "treating him like a man". What Slayer has ever kissed a soulless vampire before

Long response is LONG, pt 2

[red_satin_doll]

with his later genuinely selfless acts such as keeping Dawn's identity from Glory

Not quite selfless yet. he tells the 'bot that he doesn't want to hurt Buffy; he never mentions wanting to protect Dawn for her own sake. I don't think Dawn is really on his radar quite yet except in terms of how important she is to Buffy. But it is a huge step, and Buffy recognizes that, hence the kiss. Whereas Tara endures even greater torture, sacrifices more, to protect Dawn, and we take it for granted because she's "inherently good" and therefore - is less celebrated? WFT?

In the real world, she would get a restraining order against him and possibly even have him arrested.

WORD. I found Crush really creepy and icky, so I was surprised how many people seem to love it. THere were times in S5 when I wanted her to stake him.

He starts taking her feelings, her relationships, her own well-being into account in the way that he didn't before.Right and that's what makes it so sad when it all goes pear-shaped in S6. The demon can't help but take advantage

Re: Long response is LONG, pt 2

[istne_pieklo]

Ugh, Tara is my sore spot in this show. She is so lovely and such a great character, but she is seldom used outside of her relationship with Willow. That's why I love s6 where she at least has more scenes with Buffy and Dawn and is sassy with Spike.
I found Crush really creepy and icky, so I was surprised how many people seem to love it. I do love Crush precisely for the ickiness. I think it does a good job of exploring these dark themes. But I find it offputting how many ppl seem to consider it instrumental in establishing the Spuffy romance! Wtf, how is that ep romantic!?
It's like going to AA because you recognize you're out of control and having to do so because of a court order. A perfect comparison! XD
Mind if I friend you btw? Sure! Friending you back XD

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[red_satin_doll]

That's why I love s6 where she at least has more scenes with Buffy and Dawn and is sassy with Spike.I have SOO much to say about Tara in S6. I've started a series of meta on Buffy and Tara you might like? (Focusing on them but my lj is pretty much all about the Buffyverse ladies. Not that I don't enjoy talking about the guys in terms of their relationships to Buffy, but it's so overdone and the focus ends up being all about the menz