Kylo Ren is a take-or-leave it character. I totally get your point about him being the whinier part of the worst Skywalker on screen. I sort of love it, though? Because his obsession is clearly pathetic versus where the prequels treated Anakin's brooding as if it were worthy of Shakespeare. I also think that Ben Solo is schizophrenic. He literally thinks he's talking to his grandfather, but he's clearly talking to a man invented in his head because if he wanted to "complete what Darth Vader started" as he says at one point, he'd take out Snoak since Anakin ultimately came back to the Light Side. I noticed, too, on a second viewing, that his voice changes when he has the mask off and is talking to Han Solo, alternating between deep and relatively pip-squeak high. I think he's actually mentally ill, and it is sort of more tragic that he happens to be born to a naturally Force-adept family with an illness that might otherwise be treated. Combine what chuckro said about Han and Leia being indifferent parents and Luke a poor teacher, it makes
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