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jade_firefly

Politics.

Nov 07, 2006 21:57

You know how they always say never talk politics with your friends? Don't do it with your parents, either. They don't care how old you are, when you disagree with 'em, they treat you like a complete idiot for holding different views ( Read more... )

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keyboardninja November 8 2006, 05:20:38 UTC

Sounds like Arizona has their shit together. I agree with all of thosse votes!

jade_firefly November 8 2006, 06:14:48 UTC

For the most part, so do I.

I think they also passed some 'humane treatment' law for farms. They were all up in whiny-bitch mode a bit ago about how pigs intended for slaughter didn't have room to turn around in their cages or stretch their legs.

Some people will complain about anything.

kishi November 8 2006, 06:11:17 UTC

Wow, good for AZ, save for the smoking ban. I'm in favor of letting bars choose if they allow smoking or not.

jade_firefly November 8 2006, 06:13:37 UTC

Ditto. Basically, in my opinion, if you have to prove your age to get in the door, the owner should be allowed to choose to allow smoking or not.

Restaurants that just happen to have bars in them, not so much. But bars... you expect smoke at bars. Period. Nobody whines about the smoke in bars, people whine about the smoke in restaurants, and rightly so, there's kids in restaurants. Kids don't need that kind of shit.

kishi November 8 2006, 07:07:47 UTC

On the other hand, it will mean that the restaurant and bar owners will bitch less. I don't know if they're still going on about it, but when Tempe (or was it Mesa?) banned smoking, they kept bitching that they were losing business to cities that did allow smoking. *shrug* Whatever.

kinakomochi November 8 2006, 15:31:08 UTC

As a non-smoker, I like that there won't be cigarette butts lying about and ashtrays next to my drink.

As an American, I think this goes a bit far, as I feel bars not attached to restaurants should have smoking.

As a former Arizonan, I don't feel much of the rules will be followed anyway, as in my experience down there, it's a free-for-all until you get caught or the rules are enforced. It's I'll-comply-if-you-make-me-orthodoxy in the whole of Metro Phoneix and environs.

There's a reason I call that city the 'Ashtray'. :/

jade_firefly November 8 2006, 18:28:26 UTC

Well, the thing is, I smoke cloves. It was already pretty difficult to find a place that didn't mind if I smoked them. Murphy's Law (mom always swore my last name shoulda been Murphy) says that this one will probably be fully complied with, just to make it even more difficult for me. :P

I dunno. Ever since I heard about the same measure going through in NYC, I've thought it was screwed up. Bars = bad lighting, beer, and smoke. It's a fact of life. :P

kinakomochi November 8 2006, 22:55:41 UTC

My dad smoked during my childhood and adulthood, and still smokes, so I never liked tobacco smoke. Tolerated it during my Army days, so I can endure lots of it if necessary... but my eyes can't, and that's where I support the ban in public places. I like the smell of clove cigarettes, though, and if you smoked them next to me, I wouldn't have a a problem with it. But tobacco smokers outnumbers clovers by quite the fat margin. :D ( ... )

mycroftholmes November 8 2006, 16:06:22 UTC

Kudos to AZ voters for not jumping on the omg its teh ghey agenda!!11!1 bandwagon. I'm also guessing that was the lecture topic.

As for smoking... I'm a libertarian, so I'm very rarely, if ever, in favor of any sort of bans. That being said, I do support requiring public places to have designated non-smoking areas (nothing new) and I wholeheartedly support the right of businesses to ban or allow smoking as they see fit.

jade_firefly November 8 2006, 18:31:30 UTC

It was admittedly a very close vote, on the marriage thing. But then a LOT of stuff was coming through last night as 52% to 48% and the like. The only one I saw that was drastically skewed was the minimum wage one, at 66% voting yes.

And you're the first one to issue a guess. And you're wrong. ;)

The reason this particular smoking ban went through, while the other didn't, was that it would actually have prevented any business from imposing stricter anti-smoking measures, as well as prevented any single town from doing the same. It would basically have set the law for where you can ban smoking and where you can't, and no city was allowed to do anything harsher than that.

There's a reason that one was supported by the tobacco companies. :P