Be there for me
anonymous
July 11 2004, 02:07:56 UTC
"Love is not love which alters when it alteration finds, Or bends with the remover to remove. Oh no, it is an ever fixed mark, That looks on tempests and is never shaken."
Re: Be there for mejeroentiggelmanJuly 11 2004, 15:51:00 UTC
As it happens I was with my parents tonight and watched a film version of "Sense and sensibility" in which this Shakespeare quote promintently featured.
Your poetry is nice, but are you a Brandon or a Willoughby?
An intriguing introduction. You are rather cynical, perhaps? Surely you would not expect anyone to reply "Willoughby" to that, so answering the superficial question seems rather pointless. I think actions speak louder than words on counts like these.
I am certainly not a Willoughby but I am not sure if that makes me a Brandon.
But actions can be misleading sometimes as can words, don't you find?
They can usually be interpreted on a different level than intended. But I do not expect to ever give up the one I love for, say, 50,000 pounds elsewhere (and regret it while doing it, too). I do believe that this at least will prove true. :)
--But I do not expect to ever give up the one I love for, say, 50,000 pounds elsewhere
You judge by modern standards. In 18th Century England Willoughby would have been imprisoned and possibly deported as a debtor. He had a simple choice, prison - or solve his debt problem. He was a man that wanted everything and in his pursuit of everything he lost the one person who truly loved him. His tragedy was that he realised too late.
--(and regret it while doing it, too). I do believe that this at least will prove true. :)
Ah, - so you would have no regrets. You would make your choice and know why you made it. Problem solved…you are a Mr Elton! ;)-<
You judge by modern standards. In 18th Century England Willoughby would have been imprisoned and possibly deported as a debtor. He had a simple choice, prison - or solve his debt problem.
I am not sure I am particularly judging by modern standards here. It's rather unlike me to have debts in the first place. I tend to concentrate on mental things rather than material ones.
He was a man that wanted everything and in his pursuit of everything he lost the one person who truly loved him. His tragedy was that he realised too late.
I realize that. I, however, do not, in fact, want everything.
Ah, - so you would have no regrets. You would make your choice and know why you made it. Problem solved…you are a Mr Elton! ;)-<
I am not convinced he was an INTJ.. are you? There might be a more logical suggestion. ;)-
“I am not sure I am particularly judging by modern standards here. It's rather unlike me to have debts in the first place.”
I am delighted to hear it.
“I realize that. I, however, do not, in fact, want everything”
I am delighted to hear it.
“I am not convinced he was an INTJ.. are you?”
I don’t think that is relevant.
Willoughby rejected the love of Marianne. If he had had to sell Combe Magna to pay off his debts and take a job, Marianne would have accepted their reduced circumstances - she would have stood by him through jail to Botany Bay! It was the *realisation* of what he had lost that meant Willoughby suffers from it for the rest of his life.
Mr Elton rejected Harriet Smith - she was unsuitable and beneath him. He never realises the depth and goodness of her love that could have been his. He does not realise what he has lost and he is happy with the inferior choice of wife he takes.
I am not sure I understand what point you were making otherwise.
Not really trying to say anything profound. Only that you can only regret what you realise you have lost. So you may be happier if you never realise. :)
Hmm.. I am not sure you understood my paragraph as a whole..
Only that you can only regret what you realise you have lost. So you may be happier if you never realise. :)
We could ask the question if we can ever realize what things would have been like for us if they had been quite different than they are. But I guess that we can have an idea at a certain level.
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Or bends with the remover to remove.
Oh no, it is an ever fixed mark,
That looks on tempests and is never shaken."
D.
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Admit impediments"
Your poetry is nice, but are you a Brandon or a Willoughby?
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An intriguing introduction. You are rather cynical, perhaps? Surely you would not expect anyone to reply "Willoughby" to that, so answering the superficial question seems rather pointless. I think actions speak louder than words on counts like these.
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I like intrigue ...and poetry :)
'You are rather cynical, perhaps?'
Maybe.
'Surely you would not expect anyone to reply "Willoughby" to that, so answering the superficial question seems rather pointless.'
You certainly don't have to answer to me. If you are brave enough, you can answer for yourself.
'I think actions speak louder than words on counts like these.'
Indeed. :) But actions can be misleading sometimes as can words, don't you find?
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You would seem to be in luck. ;)
you can answer for yourself.
I am certainly not a Willoughby but I am not sure if that makes me a Brandon.
But actions can be misleading sometimes as can words, don't you find?
They can usually be interpreted on a different level than intended. But I do not expect to ever give up the one I love for, say, 50,000 pounds elsewhere (and regret it while doing it, too). I do believe that this at least will prove true. :)
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Am I? ;)
--But I do not expect to ever give up the one I love for, say, 50,000 pounds elsewhere
You judge by modern standards. In 18th Century England Willoughby would have been imprisoned and possibly deported as a debtor. He had a simple choice, prison - or solve his debt problem. He was a man that wanted everything and in his pursuit of everything he lost the one person who truly loved him. His tragedy was that he realised too late.
--(and regret it while doing it, too). I do believe that this at least will prove true. :)
Ah, - so you would have no regrets. You would make your choice and know why you made it. Problem solved…you are a Mr Elton! ;)-<
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I am not sure I am particularly judging by modern standards here. It's rather unlike me to have debts in the first place. I tend to concentrate on mental things rather than material ones.
He was a man that wanted everything and in his pursuit of everything he lost the one person who truly loved him. His tragedy was that he realised too late.
I realize that. I, however, do not, in fact, want everything.
Ah, - so you would have no regrets. You would make your choice and know why you made it. Problem solved…you are a Mr Elton! ;)-<
I am not convinced he was an INTJ.. are you? There might be a more logical suggestion. ;)-
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I am delighted to hear it.
“I realize that. I, however, do not, in fact, want everything”
I am delighted to hear it.
“I am not convinced he was an INTJ.. are you?”
I don’t think that is relevant.
Willoughby rejected the love of Marianne. If he had had to sell Combe Magna to pay off his debts and take a job, Marianne would have accepted their reduced circumstances - she would have stood by him through jail to Botany Bay! It was the *realisation* of what he had lost that meant Willoughby suffers from it for the rest of his life.
Mr Elton rejected Harriet Smith - she was unsuitable and beneath him. He never realises the depth and goodness of her love that could have been his. He does not realise what he has lost and he is happy with the inferior choice of wife he takes.
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I think it is. Oh well.
I am not sure I understand what point you were making otherwise.
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No, I would not consider Mr Elton to be INTJ.
I am not sure I understand what point you were making otherwise.
Not really trying to say anything profound. Only that you can only regret what you realise you have lost. So you may be happier if you never realise. :)
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Hmm.. I am not sure you understood my paragraph as a whole..
Only that you can only regret what you realise you have lost. So you may be happier if you never realise. :)
We could ask the question if we can ever realize what things would have been like for us if they had been quite different than they are. But I guess that we can have an idea at a certain level.
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