George R. R. Martin -- A Giant, Shackled by Dwarfs, up on Fantastic Worlds

[jordan179]

"George R. R. Martin --

A Giant, Shackled By Dwarfs"

© 2015

by

Jordan S. Bassior

Some people were surprised and others saddened when George R. R. Martin came out against the Sad Puppies 3 campaign to restore control of the Hugos to the fans, and expressed (some) support for the Scalzi cabal which is currently trying to control the nominations and

Comments

[kharmii]

Interesting point about the draft in the other post.

I've been following George RR Martin's long as LJ posts about this. The main thing I'm getting from it is that 1.) He doesn't believe the Scalzi cabal exists -and- 2.) He thinks the awards will be ruined when everyone else campaigns the way Sad Puppies did.

I just learned about this whole drama yesterday, but I think it's interesting that some people believe the Sad Puppies have been nominating actual quality work, while the sjws want works with gay issues, non-binary gender issues and fluff that makes people 'feel' for these types. No thanks. I just want my fantasy stories to be about dragons and wizards.

Some think Martin is evil because he has rape in his stories?! Have the people who think that even read his stories?! The world of ASolaF is terribly brutal. :-P

OT but what is with LJ lately? It's been hella slow and when I try and post an entry I have to attempt five or six times because the 'post entry' button will be unhighlightable, yet the 'delete entry' option would

[jordan179]

Among the damage the Vietnam War -- both in terms of the Communist propaganda that successfully demonized it, and the weaselly half-assed way that we fought it at the highest levels (not our troops, but the Executive Branch, especially under LBJ but also under Nixon) -- has done to our culture is that it left a whole subset of the Boomer generation with a legacy of having cheered on our enemies and the destruction of three small nations which were victims of Communist aggression -- South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. This pretty much forces them to remain Leftists, because admitting that they were wrong -- that they were on the side of the aggressors of their day, and betrayed their own nation in wartime to do it -- would be too emotionally-painful

[wombat_socho]

Some of those who were anti-American leftists during Vietnam have repented. David Horowitz is just the most prominent example.

Personally, I think it has more to do with him being unable to credit that his friends have turned the Hugos into the sad, withered in-joke they have been for years, until the Sad Puppies came along to upset the applecart.

[jordan179]

Yes, but Horowitz is exceptional. And it took the outright murder of a friend followed by his other friends denying what had happened because to admit that the Black Panthers were just crazy thugs rather than noble rebels would have been embarrassing to the Cause, to start to snap him out of his delusions. It helped that Horowitz was hard core Left -- one of the Red Diaper Babies, who knew full well that Communists were behind the "peace" movement (because he was ONE OF THEM), and hence couldn't hide behind his illusions.

[banner]

because he's a leftist and he perceives sad puppies as being rightist. What else does he need?
At least he admits that voting cabals have been around as long as he's been involved (and he did admit it, if you read his stuff).

And as Larry more or less said, 'where were you when the SJW's were doing all of their attacks? Why do you only step forward now?' Yup, Martin can only be bothered when his side is losing, up until then, he didn't give a damn about civility.

I'm tried of all the whining by the Worldcon committee and the usual suspects, they HIJACKED the Hugos for their own political purposes, and now they have the gall to complain when another group comes along and does the same? At least SP has been open and fair about it, instead of working in the shadows and lying.

[jordan179]

Here's the thing, though -- George R. R. Martin, unlike Scalzi and the Haydens and the hack who wrote "If You Were A Dinosaur, My Love," is a really great writer. The tragedy is that he's sucking up to his inferiors.

[banner]

I wouldn't really know, I've read like one of his books and a couple of his short stories. Obviously NONE of what he wrote ever grabbed me enough to make me want to read more of him.
Then again the nineties turned into a black hole for SF with much of what was written and published just being absolute drek (remember I commented on it MANY times on my LJ back then and into much of the 00's).

I mean I really just got tired of books that really didn't want people like me buying or reading them. Maybe his weren't in that mold, but I used to read a couple books a week in the 80's and early 90's and had the income to buy whatever I wanted. That I never picked up any of his makes me wonder if I read the intro's thought they weren't for me and set them back down.

[jordan179]

Tuf Voyaging. Nightflyers. Dying of the Light. He wrote some epic science fiction tales. I think that A Song of Ice and Fire is his equivalent of McCaffrey's Pern series, in all ways -- namely, that it's actually science fantasy.

[xiphias]

Did you read his most recent post, analyzing who has been getting Hugo noms and wins?

[jordan179]

Yes. It was interesting. His logical flaw was that he ignored the time dimensions -- namely, that the Hugos stopped being awarded for quality after a certain point, and started being purely a conformity-prize.

[xiphias]

He went up to the year before Sad Puppies. When did the Hugos change?

[kharmii]

I've been banned from George RR Martin's LJ and all I wrote was the following:

"Even other leftists think sjws are crazy." Then I left this link:

http://www.thecrimson.com/column/words-words-words/article/2015/3/12/simplistic-social-justice-warrior/

Martin must be a sjw himself. That's the kind of intolerance behavior sjws engage in regularly. I've been banned from communities all over LJ from having opinions differing from those of the moderators.

[mosinging1986]

I was banned from Book Riot. I'm still waiting for a response as to why. I've sent a polite email every month and they keep ignoring me. Aggravators

[marycatelli]

At least one claimed to find that avoiding works by white cis-men meant she no longer hated them and RAGEQUIT and urged everyone to do likewise.

I suspect blinding the stories would have fixed her problem.

[mosinging1986]

It all gives me a headache. How do people find the time (and the emotional energy!) for this nonsense? I get exhausted just reading/watching other people do it.