If the Saudis were behind 9-11 ...

[jordan179]

Then our entire foreign policy from 2001 on has been insane, as it would mean that the main threat to American national security is Saudi Arabia.  If Saudi Arabia launched a war against us on 9-11-2001, starting that war with attacking civilian targets without a declaration of war and murdering civilians taken captive on the airliners, it means

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[headnoises]

Problem- there's a difference between "Saudi Arabia was behind it" and "members of the (really freaking huge) royal family donated."

It's kind of like how what's his face, the KKK congress guy-- if he was still giving support to his old club, that doesn't mean "the US supports the Klan."

We *already know* that they give (personal, in theory) money, have for ages.

Over-decade-old article about it, here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/17/world/flow-of-saudis-cash-to-hamas-is-scrutinized.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

There's more open source stuff available, too.

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I don't trust this sudden push for what amounts to an official, formal and public slap in the face to Saudi Arabia; it has been no secret at all that members of the royal family are doing this sort of thing, even the New York Times freaking noticed-- so who gains by making it so the Saudi gov't is forced to formally defend its

[baron_waste]

I'm not sure in what sense Saudi Arabia is an “ally.”  Against what?  Russia, maybe, as against the Soviets in the past, but aside from grudgingly letting us base forces there during the Gulf War, the entente has never amounted to much.  They view the USA with contempt, as junkies for what they're pushing, and would see no reason not to act against Israel's chief enabler and most useful tool.

Now the king told the boogie men
You have to let that raga drop
The oil down the desert way
Has been shakin' to the top
The Sheik he drove his Cadillac
He went a-cruisin' down the ville
The muezzin was a-standing
On the radiator grille

Sharif don't like it
Rock the Casbah, rock the Casbah
Sharif don't like it
Rock the Casbah, Rock the Casbah…

By order of the prophet
We ban that boogie sound
Degenerate the faithful
With that crazy Casbah sound…

I still recall the “Nuke Their Ass and Take the Gas” t-shirts once available from Paladin Press and the like; or the burly US Marine jamming a Colt .45 into an Arab's face and saying, “HOW much is the

[headnoises]

Who said anything about them being an ally? They're an honor culture, not a guilt culture; the official public statements matter a lot more to them, while we're supposed to be able to look at the facts without it having to be an official announcement.

Russia is as good a guess as any for why news that's OVER A DECADE OLD is suddenly being pulled up. Maybe related to Syria?
Supposedly that mess is at least partly Saudi Arabia vs Iran.
F if I know who benefits the most.

[jordan179]

If the news be true, Let Saudi Arabia be destroyed, even if the Heavens fall. I hope that some Presidential candidate runs with it, and the Saudis suffer for their perfidy.

[gothelittle]

What I think is funny is that people kept insisting that the war in Iraq was "all about oil", when the country whose oil actually MATTERS to us gets away with all sorts of atrocities.

If we were doing anything other than the opposite of fighting a war for oil, we would have already done *something* about Saudi Arabia. As it happens, we seem to be refusing to fight wars, because of oil...

[allaboutweather]

Perhaps we should've went into S.A. rather than iraq and afghanistan. Iraq shouldn't have been a country to begin with (as it is trisected between sunnis, shias and kurds) and no one ever wins a war in afghanistan (ussr anyone).

[jordan179]

Perhaps we should. Saudi Arabia is still there -- rich, weak and guilty. Let us claim our prize, and count the wails of the Saudis as musical accompaniment.

[allaboutweather]

Then there's Pakistan..... how did they not know OBL was hiding less than an hour's drive north of their capital Islamabad and about a kilometer from one of their major military academies?

[baron_waste]

[jordan179]

Clearly, punishing the guilty is something only Nazis would do, in your deluded mind.

'Ethnic Cleansing' Means 'Peace'

[baron_waste]

The NSDAP certainly were the most famous for exterminating people based on what they were, regardless of any other consideration…  But obviously they aren't unique.

Saudi TV Host Nadine Al-Budair:  “The Terrorists Emerged from Our Schools and Universities”

“After the abominable Brussels bombings, it's time for us to feel shame and
        to stop acting as if the terrorists are a rarity,” she said, in an address
        that aired on the Saudi Rotana Khalijiyah TV on April 3…

She must PAY for the crime of EXISTING, atone for it in BLOOD!  She must be driven into the desert to die.  She must pay for her “perfidy”!

Saudi Author Said Al-Suraihi:  “The Ogre of ISIS
        Emerged from Our History Books”

This guy, too:  Exterminate!  Exterminate!

… I wish my “deluded mind” were right, in what you say.  I'm not getting that impression.

n b  The difference between this and “All men are rapists and that's all they are” or, “Of course he's wrong!  He's a male, isn't he?” - is slight.  When you start thinking in

[gothelittle]

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlerAteSugar... )

[little_e_]

We've known that since the first time OBL bombed the WTC, back in the Clinton years. It's no secret where OBL came from.

[jordan179]

Indeed, but the Saudi regime having aided this action is another matter entirely -- and one that should be paid for in blood.

[little_e_]

Also something I thought had been long well-known. Seemed kind of obvious, anyway.

[eta_ta]

And that is also known for 15 years.
I recall reading journo investigations in the first aftermath of 9/11, it was well known then. Including hasty evacuation of Saudi princes +women from DC literally hours after, etc, and Bush family connections to them, and his sloppy attempt of defending them, all that "religion of peace" BS.
That wrath and outrage and feeling of betrayal oyu feel now - it's with me since 2001.