On the Milwaukee Riots

[jordan179]

From what I can tell it was a good shooting, and the main problem is that the Mayor has been acting with "restraint" in dealing with the rioters. The job of city officials in a riot is to make sure the cops break heads, shoot to kill (if necessary, take out the ringleaders with snipers) if things get out of control, and haul the scum off to jail

Comments

[robby]

You're coming across pretty harshly. I'm not sure any shooting is ever a "good shooting", and the police should keep order, but the most effective riot control tactics probably aren't to break heads or kill riotors.

[galadrion]

I'm not sure - dead rabble-rousing rioters have a zero recidivism rate. Certainly, give them an opportunity to back down, but once someone is voluntarily participating in a breakdown of civilization, they need to face the consequences of that act of barbarism. Not for their sake, but for the sake of the civilization they attempted to sack.

So perhaps I'm a little less hard-line on this than Jordan is, but I'm still right up there with him. These people need to be arrested, tried, and serve whatever sentence their crimes earn them. And if they resist arrest and are, as a result, killed, then that is the consequence of their own choices and actions, and no blame should attach to the defenders of civilization. Any "activist" who tries to blame the police and legal system for doing their jobs is a willing accessory, aiding and abetting the barbarians, and needs to be held equally culpable.

[robby]

Oh here come all the internet tough guys! There are probably 100,000 guns in that part of Milwaukee. Do you want a week long urban gun battle? The police have effective tactics, so let them work them, so to minimize the violence to all concerned.

[ford_prefect42]

If one party is bent on murder, than one could easily argue that "minimizing violence" is to let yourself be killed.

"Minimizing violence" is not always the most desirable outcome. Particularly in a case like this where those committing the current violence have no interest in peace, and instead will just be waiting for the next opportunity to commit violence.

It's kind of a question of long term peace versus short term peace. Or, looked at differently, "Dane geld". We're buying temporary peace at the price that we allow animals to loot, pillage, burn, steal, and assault against civilization itself. Better to "have it out" now, because it'll only be worse next time.

[allaboutweather]

Sadly little can be done about it until Obama and Loretta Lynch-mob are out. Then there's CNN who defends the hell outta these thugs, portraying them as saints despite many of them having a mile-long rap sheet.

Hillary has also been pandering to them recently by saying the police should be held accountable (but not Black Lies Matter).

Of course, double standards are the left's standards so they'll justify these riots as "behavior they can't control" and "free speech" while saying that anyone who criticizes BLM is a racist and is "promoting hate speech".

[jordan179]

Sadly little can be done about it until Obama and Loretta Lynch-mob are out ...

That is the main problem. But cities can fight back. Part of the reason this probably happened in Milwaukee is the fault of the mayor -- he urged "restraint," and the rioters are taking advantage of the police restraint.

[allaboutweather]

Didn't the exact same thing happen in Baltimore? They just let it burn by telling the national guard to stand down?

[jordan179]

Yep. And some of the people leading the Milwaukee riots are probably veterans of Baltimore and Ferguson.

Which highlights the problem. By letting the ringleaders just go from city to city fomenting riots, neither imprisoning nor killing them, this cadre is gaining skill at destruction and mob murder.

[ford_prefect42]

I would at least say that anyone whose business is attacked should have an absolute right to defend it... with a 20mm vulcan.

[prester_scott]

I can't get on board with that. 20mm rounds will overpenetrate and cause all kinds of damage beyond the rioters.

[ford_prefect42]

You're right... An AA-12 would be a much better tool for the job.

[asher63]

I don't know that draconian measures are needed if we simply enforce the law. That's the problem, too many ivory tower bureaucrats cave too easily to the demands of Soros-funded thugs. And somebody needs to educate this generation that not every police shooting is an arbitrary exercise of force.

[robby]

Yes! If the mayor of Milwaukee prevented an effective police response, that's where we should focus, and stop howling for more blood.

[galadrion]

Good idea. You might consider getting the rioters to stop howling for blood for a start, as well as getting them to stop going out and trying to get it.

[benschachar_77]

Thing is certain political factions have an interest in stirring up racial animus.

Think about it: so long as blacks are committing disproportionate gang violence the left will always have a case (however dishonest) about rampant gun crime. So long as blacks feel oppressed democrats have a substantial voting bloc. And when you stir up racial grievance violence follows and occasionally some soul defends him or herself from violence with lethal force and then the cycle starts all over again with a fresh set of martyrs and a fresh set devils whose only great crime was defending themselves from a black criminal.

[kharmii]

We need another McCarthyism. The left is becoming too powerful and destructive in this country. They cause the decline of every society they take over.

[harvey_rrit]

I dunno about that. Consider:

If Joe McCarthy had been replaced by a duplicate whose sole ambition was to make the public think of leftists as something other than imposers of slavery, giving them instead the status of helpless victims of oppression, what should that duplicate have done that Joe McCarthy didn't?