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[justacat]

Yesterday Mr. JaC and I flew to Sun Valley for our annual ski trip. It's always a bit grueling getting here, and yesterday was even worse - when the weather's too bad to fly from Salt Lake City into Sun Valley, the plane lands instead in a town called Twin Falls (which isn't in the mountains), and then the airline buses us to the Sun Valley

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[callistosh65]

Amazing. You pulled out things I'd not thought of before, and I've rewatched this ep a lot! The 'How will you do it? A gun or a knife?' from the girl had never jumped out at me before. But you are so right, it's an incredibly off premise, isn't it? And one that is totally discarded by the writers and Doyle. And I agree about VN not killing Doyle - thank God and all that:)) - but that way they've set it up, it really makes no sense for him to simply knock him out and carry him around.

But the good is very good here - love Bodie's hissy fit and all it implies, the scenes between VN and Bodie are atmsopheric and well-played. And the scene from the phonebox pick up to the car, hidden gun, etc is sublime.

Thanks for this, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your detailed take on SF. And I'm thrilled your iPod lets you do this - so, more in future maybe? Meanwhile, relax and enjoy the skiing!!

[justacat]

I'm glad you enjoyed it! Once I started, I couldn't stop... *g*

And yeah - those things you picked out are ones that just nag at me. I'd always wondered about the Kookie Girl in general, but I'd never focused before on that line. And when she gets up to Doyle's room, he says something like, "You were telling me about killing somebody?" - but when she sort of evades, he never pursues it. It's so weird!

And of course I, too, am quite happy that VN doesn't kill Doyle *g* - but it really doesn't make sense at all.

But all those wonderful scenes do make it easy to...if not overlook the incongruous stuff, at least make it seem far less important and relevant!

As for whether I'll do this again...I hope so. I find that when I watch with the intention of making comments, all my thoughts stop completely; whereas this time, when I was just watching for pleasure, with no intention whatsoever to "analyze" anything, the thoughts just wouldn't stop!

[jgraeme2007]

I'm so glad you shared your thoughts on this. I do love it when you turn that analytical brain of yours on the lads. So entertaining observations.

[jgraeme2007]

but unfortunately, in the fannish world, the writers don't exist; what's on the screen is our reality),

What an interesting thought. I wish to God I had some spare time to discuss.

(And then, for having been knocked out so thoroughly (thoroughly enough for VN to think he was dead?), Doyle is remarkably unruffled looking during the ensuing chase...I can live with this, though I'd sort of like to see him struggling through a bit more suffering. *g*)

He does look genuinely pained in the car, but then...yes...way to quick to rebound.

he just strides off - but very tellingly, not alone: "Let's go," he says. And there's a nice husky crack in his voice when he says "Let's go

[justacat]

What an interesting thought. I wish to God I had some spare time to discuss.I tossed that sentence off (so to speak *g*), knowing in the back of my mind that it was kind of...loaded, that there was a lot under there, but without giving it a great deal of thought. I had a sense of the concept in my head that I was trying to articulate, and those were the words that came to my fingers; there was a part of me that knew that it's quite a bit more complex than that short sentence allows for. It would be very interesting to discuss, wouldn't it. I do basically believe what I said (I think): I don't believe we can dismiss canon just because we think something was "bad writing"; I don't believe we can say, CI5 agents never bumble and make mistakes - that was just the writers being sloppy. Of course, any individual writer can simply disregard parts of canon that are inconsistent; authors do that all the time, and that's fine. But an author who chose to write something based on that supposedly "sloppy writing" would, I think, also be well

[solosundance]

the fact that those two boys are burned to a crisp is utterly immaterial.

god yes, this always niggles me like hell. It's like the unfortunate reverend who gets shot to pieces in Close Quarters. Not even a flicker of reaction from anyone and no references once it's happened. Makes me want to sack the writers. It's not like I'd expect major breastbeating on the part of B&D or anything, but it's like the writers assume the audience is just in it for the big bangs (heh) and never takes any notice of anything else.

thank goodness for Bodie the scouser down on his luck ... *g*

Thanks for your thoughts, enjoy your skiing!

[justacat]

I'm glad someone else is bothered by this! As I was writing this, I kept imagining legions of readers/fans thinking - who cares what happened to the boys? Probably Doyle called the cops and it was all taken care of in the background, etc. etc... But somehow it has *always* disturbed me, that first he watches them burn with no reaction whatsoever, and then he's just sitting there by the phone box...and it's as if that never happened - as if he hasn't just watched two human beings fried to a crisp. He's not *that* jaded, is he??? And for that matter, we, the audience, aren't, are we?

The lack of even the most minimal acknowledgment that something has happened in scenes like this (and the poor reverend is another great example - it's like when he falls from the window he is erased from everyone's memory at the same time!) just feels...odd to me.

But yeah, thank goodness for all those wonderful moments that take our minds off all this! *g*

Glad you enjoyed, thanks!

And I realize that I owe you email and have been utterly,

[metabolick]

As usual you've done a marvelous job of analyzing something in such an articulate manner. And we get to benefit from your articulateness! :-D Very good observations. Thank you.

I was just gushing to a friend the other day about how much I love the entire scene where Bodie explains his B&E exploits to Doyle. First of all, it demonstrates in a small way how Doyle will do nice things for his partner i.e. bringing him a pressie and, indeed, stopping off to see him at all. Usually it seems as though we see Bodie as the giver more often. And I love how Doyle is whistling the theme to Laurel and Hardy as he walks up the stairs!

[justacat]

Thank you - I'm glad you enjoyed them!! I had a lot of fun doing it - couldn't stop myself once I got started! *g*

I do love that scene, too...in some ways it's a familiar relationship dynamic, Bodie being sort of a bad-little-boy (for Ray's benefit - not the underlying act here, but the way he tells it), and Ray agreeably playing to it, giving Bodie the reaction he wants - but you're right, it also shows another side to them. It's a rare glimpse, or relatively rare, into the day-to-day working - Bodie hanging about on obbo duty, Ray dropping by with a little gift - no big deal, just seems like something he's doing as a matter of course, and Bodie receiving it that way; like they do that sort of thing for each other without thinking about it or mentioning it. Just part of their relationship. Just a really nice moment.

And I never even noticed the Laurel and Hardy thing - no, let me be completely honest here *g*: I'd never have recognized the Laurel and Hardy theme in a million years! Ha!!

And I got your email - sorry about