Comments | kainosite: Labour's Problem

kainosite

Labour's Problem

May 09, 2015 18:23

Scanning through the usual pundits I haven't seen anyone coherently articulate Labour's current electoral problem. I have seen a lot of myopic comments from all factions of the party saying "If only we'd done what I wanted, we would have won!" But no one seems to have put it all together, so I thought I'd better have a go.

( Into the labyrinth of electoral dead ends... )

lolitics, labour, meta, new labour

Comments 13

gildinwen May 13 2015, 17:29:06 UTC

....damn. Are you *sure* there's no way you can like write for labourlist or anything like that. Because this is something that needs to be read by members of the party

kainosite May 15 2015, 09:49:18 UTC

It's been read by one of them! ;)

Honestly, I was thinking about leaving the political commentariat a few pointers in this direction, but the rest of my journal is political RPF, so... eeep. So I will have to rely on you to transmit this into the collective consciousness.

(Stayed tuned for Part II, where I explain why all the leadership candidates are a disaster and why most of the loliticians on Tumblr and 95% of the commentariat seem to be picking a candidate to back for the wrong reasons.)

stare_me_out May 17 2015, 11:44:30 UTC

You should post this on Medium or similar. There is a lot in here that certain people need to read. I am doing my own post on the subject now. I will post to it in the comm when I am done.

kainosite May 17 2015, 15:28:07 UTC

Aw, thanks. If both you and gildinwen think it's worth publicizing more broadly maybe I should look into it.

grapefruitzzz May 18 2015, 15:43:57 UTC

One thing I've noticed is Labour's oversimplification of their various voter bases. The people who vote Labour in northern cities are more like London Labour voters than those in failed seaside towns and parts of Wales. It didn't endear me to David Lammy to hear how he couldn't run for leader as he didn't understand 'the North', whle sitting in an urban Labour seat much like my own ( ... )

kainosite May 18 2015, 18:16:18 UTC

Man, that's a random collection of points. I'd been saving them from being politely neutral.Well, you know, you free to tell me I'm full of crap, too. I don't mind an argument. XD ( ... )

gildinwen July 16 2015, 09:19:04 UTC

I was actually thinking a bit about this (really really late I know lol)
Could part of the problem be Labour ( and I think you touched on it in the meta) doesn't really that much tabloid and press backing? All we really have is the Mirror and that's it. (The Guardian and Indy are left leaning but the indy's independent and the Observer well I don't know what the Observer is : the Indy both in 2010 and in the last election appearing to back Nick)

Now maybe we didn't need cos we had a strong Union base, but do we need to court papers more? (Although not the Sun- Andy won't...but I *facepalmed so hard* When Ed did that photo op with the Sun.....after attack News corp for two years or so.

kainosite July 19 2015, 11:30:23 UTC

Could part of the problem be Labour ( and I think you touched on it in the meta) doesn't really that much tabloid and press backing?

It is. The Guardian is fundamentally a liberal newspaper and the Indy is on crack, and even if you count them both with the Mirror in the Labour camp they're still drowned out by the huge volume of rightwing papers ( ... )

gildinwen August 30 2015, 16:05:26 UTC

Question. Does Jeremy have the answers? I'm beginning to think he might

kainosite September 8 2015, 18:00:46 UTC

My instinct is "lol no", but considering the likely outcome of the leadership contest I hope like hell I'm wrong ( ... )

gildinwen June 16 2016, 13:32:10 UTC

With the EU ref vote coming up I'm just re-reading it and marvelling at how Prescient this is.

*cries*

kainosite June 16 2016, 19:30:17 UTC

The bit where I anticipate the resurrection of the Socttish Tories is creeping me out a little, ngl.