Your initial reaction has made my day, sweetie. :D It sounds like we're on the same page concerning most points, and the one thing that it seems we don't agree on, I can totally live with.
Wasn't Henry just so surprisingly pretty and Amy so surprisingly BAD ASS that it just blew you away? XD Gods, I need to see it again just for the two of them.
I figured we probably would be. And I was more annoyed at the parts that annoyed me. There are definitely parts that were added just for the fanboys. But I will say right now: LARA. Holy fucking God, LARA. I'm amazed just how much that section meant to me and my Kala muse. There's going to be some discussion on that topic in the future, what it means to truly be a Lady of Krypton. Trust me.
And yes, yes, yes. Seriously! They both absolutely made that film. They could have just had it about the pair of them, Perry, and the Planet and I would have been happy. So looking forward to a sequel for that reason. I mean, damn!
*snuggles you back* But yes, brought back some seriously inspiration from both the good and the bad on this one. :D
I was trying to figure out which scene you are talking about with regards to Lara (I saw and responded to someone on tumblr that felt the birth scene was unnecessary.) I really, really adored the birth scene. I had tears in my eyes BOTH times as I understood the significance of it (I'd been spoiled to the fact that Kal-El's birth had been an aberration in this version of Krypton's society.) It was really poignant considering the fact that I'm about 2-3 months away from giving birth. Knowing that she would have had no siblings, no parents that would have known what to expect and help her prepare... wow.
The entire intro was difficult for me to follow at first because I hadn't been spoiled for any of it; the birth scene threw me in that I'm used to the matrices, but here she was having natural birth. Then they showed the matrices later. Everything that they showed of Krypton in the film should have been Ancient Krypton, not to mention the Star Wars costumes [yeeeah, that's one of my problems with the film], so I was allllll messed up trying to figure what the hell Synder was up to.
No, Lara wasn't just amazing in the birth scene [although, I agree that she was incredibly brave to do what she did]. That was an amazingly strong woman to make the sacrifices she made not only in daring the birth, not only in finally making herself give up her son, not only for facing Zod and damning the three of them for killing Jor-El, but to have ridden out the destruction of Krypton to the end, literally facing it in the end.
It's given me so many House of El feels that I'm still trying to work through.
Agreed. In many ways we got a stronger perspective from her (at least in the scenes regarding the control over giving up her child to Earth) than in any previous version that I know of (I haven't seen the Lara scene on Smallville so I can't say one way or the other there). I loved that they gave her that agency. I almost think we're supposed to be thrown by the birth (at least us old-timers"/dedicated fans that would know that sort of canon). I hadn't even thought about her choosing to face her own destruction head on but you are right about that scene. It had it's own strength as well.
For all they got wrong (costumes/changes/tweaks to canon) boy did they get a decent amount right (particularly with the women.) It's changes/tweaks that have left me a little silent on my own opinion even after seeing it twice (and debating between seeing it once more or waiting to purchase it on DVD).
We really did and it was nice for me to see it because she's always been one of my favorite characters in the mythos. A lot of people talk about how little she does in the Reeve years, but people have to be kind in the fact that that was almost 35 years ago and the canon hadn't progressed that far in the realistic case of Jor-El and Lara. I think you're right about being thrown, the more I think about it. I spent the first ten minutes of the movie screaming, "They're in the wrong age! This is the Golden Age of Krypton! This is SO many years in the past!" So, yeah. Agreed
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Just a little note on the subject of Lara... In many ways, she reminds me of 300's Queen Gorgo (whose role was expanded in the movie, by the way). Lara's confrontation with Zod in the Coucil Chamber has a lot of parallels with Gorgo's "I am not your Queen. And you will not enjoy this." to Theron. Her brave decision to have Kal naturally, giving him a chance Kryptonians can only dream of, is also similiar to Gorgo's stance when she says "Only Spartan women give birth to real men", and her stoic acceptance of Krypton's fate makes me think of Gorgo's final admonishment to Leonidas: "Come back with your shield, or on it."
All I can say is that Zack Snyder seems to like strong women in his films (and by strong, I don't mean necessarily able to kick butt like men, though it does come in handy), for all that his films may look like a testosterone feast at times. I like that a lot, for it is the rare man out there who is confident enough not to smother women or reduce them to cliché roles.
There are most DEFINITELY comparisons between the two. I was thinking about that the other night. I might not always like Snyder's movie, but when I do watch them, it is very much a theme. I think it explains my love/hate relationship with him. His women are always strong and his cinematography is out of this world, but it ends up being unbalanced for me in the ultra-violence and occasional objectification (yes, Sucker Punch, I'm looking at you. Which makes me crazy, because I find myself watching it, anyway
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Re: Seriously?kalalanekentJuly 2 2013, 13:26:25 UTC
Hmmm, I must have missed that one. Where in the film was it? There are so many tributes in it that I caught, but know I didn't get all of them. And no worries. Go ahead and blurt, hon. I'll look for it next time we see it.
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July 2 2013, 18:53:33 UTC
Less of a tribute and more of a hint maybe? It was really the only explanation I could think of for the magical appearance of the Superman suit in the scout ship. One of the sleep pods contained a body but the other was open and empty. They never showed any other corpses. Probably just a hopeful stretching of the imagination on my part.
Re: Seriously?athenesolonJuly 2 2013, 22:12:08 UTC
The tie-in comic by Goyer (the scriptwriter for MoS and the sequel) doesn't just reference her, it FEATURES her. Basically the scout ship that was found in the Arctic was her scout ship. She was the captain of it but it was sabotaged and it was taken off-course to Earth. They don't make it clear, but the strongly suggest that she joined the human populations of the time (the end of the comic has a group of Eskimos carving the El crest into their structure.). Whether or not that means she survived to modern-day is an open question. The producers have been coy about whether or not she will show up in the sequel.
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Wasn't Henry just so surprisingly pretty and Amy so surprisingly BAD ASS that it just blew you away? XD Gods, I need to see it again just for the two of them.
*snuggles you super tight* :)
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And yes, yes, yes. Seriously! They both absolutely made that film. They could have just had it about the pair of them, Perry, and the Planet and I would have been happy. So looking forward to a sequel for that reason. I mean, damn!
*snuggles you back* But yes, brought back some seriously inspiration from both the good and the bad on this one. :D
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No, Lara wasn't just amazing in the birth scene [although, I agree that she was incredibly brave to do what she did]. That was an amazingly strong woman to make the sacrifices she made not only in daring the birth, not only in finally making herself give up her son, not only for facing Zod and damning the three of them for killing Jor-El, but to have ridden out the destruction of Krypton to the end, literally facing it in the end.
It's given me so many House of El feels that I'm still trying to work through.
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old-timers"/dedicated fans that would know that sort of canon). I hadn't even thought about her choosing to face her own destruction head on but you are right about that scene. It had it's own strength as well.
For all they got wrong (costumes/changes/tweaks to canon) boy did they get a decent amount right (particularly with the women.) It's changes/tweaks that have left me a little silent on my own opinion even after seeing it twice (and debating between seeing it once more or waiting to purchase it on DVD).
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All I can say is that Zack Snyder seems to like strong women in his films (and by strong, I don't mean necessarily able to kick butt like men, though it does come in handy), for all that his films may look like a testosterone feast at times. I like that a lot, for it is the rare man out there who is confident enough not to smother women or reduce them to cliché roles.
Cheers,
Lauré :)
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