Lj is still better, dammit. Or, I Have Who Feels)

[karenor]

So there has been some tumblr discussion on Ten's exit and character arc and season satisfaction pre- and post- Season 5.

(Go read this post and the preceding comments, if you want to follow along

Comments

[nonelvis]

Reading through your thoughts here -- and I'm glad you've taken the time to articulate them -- this reads to me as if the fundamental issue is that you simply prefer RTD's character-heavy storytelling style to Moffat's plot-heavy style. I'm the opposite, although as I said in my brief comment on Tumblr, there's a lot I love about the RTD era, and in fact, until S5 rolled around, S2 was my favorite

[platypus]

Oddly, perhaps, the things I love about Eleven's era are still heavily character-based; my interest in the plots is secondary, and I don't find them a lot more effective than RTD's plots. (Given the perception of Moffat as the plotmaster, I would've expected his plots to hold up better to scrutiny. I tried to explain to Ken the other day how Rory ended up as a plastic centurion, and it got ridiculous pretty fast.) I find Eleven a very emotional, accessible Doctor, more so than Ten, and the internet has told me that that is completely insane. But I suppose it's like Amy -- a lot of people find her character impenetrable, but it makes perfect sense to me. So does Eleven.

tl;dr

[nonelvis]

While prepping dinner, I took some time to think about why RTD's plot holes bother me more that Moffat's, and specifically why the Rory explanation (or lack thereof) doesn't bother me at all. In general, I find Moff's handwaving more compelling, and in Rory's case, the resurrection didn't bother me because it felt in keeping with the fairy-tale theme woven into S5. If Amy's life doesn't make sense because parts of it were essentially "stories" created based on her memories, then an unexplained resurrection of her true love is no different than any other fairy-tale element

[karenor]

I find Eleven a very emotional, accessible Doctor, more so than Ten, and the internet has told me that that is completely insane.

It might be? I think Eleven HAS as many emotions, but they're right on the surface and he's usually forthright about them? And with Ten you somehow feel them more deeply? Or he himself doesn't emote as much, but WE know, because he's nuanced like that? I'm not sure. Eleven as more accessible? Maybe. But not more relatable. To me. If that makes sense.

But I suppose it's like Amy -- a lot of people find her character impenetrable, but it makes perfect sense to me.

Impenetrable? How, though? She seems pretty...straightforward. I like Amy, don't get me wrong. And I appreciate her emotions...emotionally. But I don't find her difficult to analyze.

[develish1]

I'm not going to respond in detail, mostly because I've done at least a version of this rant myself on more than one occasion, so....

"I find them supremely lacking"

I couldn't agree more :)