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Mar 28, 2004 17:38


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banner March 28 2004, 10:44:44 UTC
You knew I was gonna respond to this :-)

I find it funny that everyone finds fault with Israel everytime it defends itself, but no one ever finds fault with the palestinian's or the other arabs whenever they attack Israel or Israelis, even though they're murdering women, children, civilians.

It is quite the double standard and quite indicative of rather extreme anti-seminism. All this from 'enlightened' europe. Of course in thirty years you'll be living in a moslem country as the majority of the people in the Netherlands will be Muslim. Be interesting to see your view on it all then...

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kensaro March 28 2004, 11:12:23 UTC
I disagree, palestinain acts of terrorism condemmed as well ( ... )

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banner March 28 2004, 11:30:43 UTC
Occuping force? No, they own that land legally. After all they were attacked and won it fair and square in the war.

As for the UN: IT'S A FARCE. I don't the see security council going after Cuba, China, France, that African country where that dictator is starving everyone to death. The US stops the actions because morally, ethically, and legally Israel is in the right. Now maybe if the UN did something to stop Palestinian terrorists instead of helping and supporting them, things would be different,but they don't.

And I mean a country under Shaira law. Once the Moslems get a majority, you will find everything changes, just like everywhere else so far. If they were becoming corrupted by you, why are they still killing their women and making them wear burkas? (BTW, wearing burkas IS NOT in the Koran, so idiot Imman added that one in).

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sethm March 28 2004, 11:49:54 UTC
So, we own Japan and Germany? Cool! Let's start building U.S. settlements there!

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banner March 28 2004, 12:44:02 UTC
We did, where were you? And Germany right now is panicing because we're talking about leaving.

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kensaro March 28 2004, 11:57:42 UTC
What islam needs is a bit of self-reflection, it's not going to get it strict countries, so it'll have to get it in others, Turky seems to be heading in the right direction.

The main issue that they have to come to grips with is the segregation of state and church.

If the UN is a farce, the so is Israel, because the only legitimacy it has is the fact that it was created by UN resolutioin. They can't have it both ways.
As for winning the land in the war, the only reason Israel still exists is depicted rather accurately in the cartoon. Yes, they won Jom-Kippur war back then, but I don't think it'd have survived the past 20 years without the US's backing.

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banner March 28 2004, 12:47:42 UTC
Israel would have survived, I've known soldiers from the Israeli army, back from even before the US gave it's support. The Israeli army is a force to be reckoned with. There isn't an army in all of the Arab countries that can come close. They don't have the training, the will, or the espirit de corps. Or the bravery.

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gerald_duck March 29 2004, 07:15:11 UTC
There is no "before the US gave its support"; Israel's very creation was sponsored by the US.

You appear to have a definition of bravery that includes assassinating a wheelchair-bound clergyman by firing a missile at him from a helicopter gunship, but excludes walking into enemy territory packed with explosives that you know will kill you when they detonate.

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banner March 29 2004, 08:16:50 UTC
1)You don't know much history

2)Commiting suicide when you believe you are going to be rewarded handsomely for it (and have bee extensively brainwashed into believing something not in the Koran) is not bravery.

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gerald_duck March 29 2004, 08:34:30 UTC
… but using overwhelming force of arms to kill defenceless old men in wheelchairs is bravery, and not at all something they do because they think they'll be rewarded handsomely for it in the afterlife?

As for brainwashing, what do you think made them place Zionist objectives and values ahead of "Thou shalt not kill" (Exodus 20:13) when they assassinated Sheikh Ahmed Yassin?

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banner March 29 2004, 08:41:05 UTC
Well when those 'defenseless old men' are leading large groups to murder women and children and then surrounding themselves with large numbers of armed bodyguards, I'd think they deserve it. And only a moron would call them 'defenseless'.

And it's 'thou shalt not commit murder'.

After this you can rant on alone, I'll not be reading or responding to you any further. You're just not worth wasting my time on.

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gerald_duck March 29 2004, 09:39:30 UTC
OK. It is alleged that Sheikh Ahmed Yassin incited people to commit acts of murder. Where's the proof? Where's the arrest warrant? Where's the trial?

As for the exact meaning of Exodus 20:13, opinion is divided. However, even "murder" would seem to cover the extrajudicial assassination of a civilian in contravention of International Law.

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gerald_duck March 29 2004, 06:46:54 UTC
Look, there's no easy way to say this, but you're entirely wrong.

You're coming across as ill-infomed, hypocritical, self-interested, illiberal, and plain downright evil.

My detailed rebuttal exceeds the comment length limit, so I've posted it here in my own journal.

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banner March 29 2004, 08:18:23 UTC
And you come across as a stupid fool.

See, I can call you names too. And no I'm not going to read or post to your page, I have no interest in arguing with an ignorant and illogical person.

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gerald_duck March 29 2004, 04:20:39 UTC
A-ha!

So, as I've suspected all along, you're actually opposed to Islam per se, and you've finally slipped up and said it.

Why should I have any more problem living in a predominantly Moslem country than a predominantly Christian one? After all, they wouldn't all be blinkered, bigoted shits like you.

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banner March 29 2004, 08:13:32 UTC

I have to wonder how one goes thru life and can become as stupid and utterly foolish as you. My opposition to living in a Muslim country is based on the fact that in Muslim countries christianity is outlawed, as are other religions, homosexuality is outlawed, as are other sexual orientations not recongized by the Muslim religion, and slavery is legal. Also the punishment for above two transgressions are often death. And I'm not even getting into the barbaric treatment of women.

You sir, are a Fool. I suggest when talking about bigots, that in the future you limit your comments to the ignorant bigot you see in the mirror each morning.

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