(larp) The one, and only, thing that I'm unhappy with regarding Conclave

[keyboardninja]

The Assamite talks/votes is the one thing I'm unhappy with. People loaned 60+ standing to Paul Walker, and he was only a handful behind Restax. If Paul Walker had six personal standing, instead of one, he likely would have tied or passed him

Comments

My voting ideas.

[corwyn]

I would have suggested doing concurent votes, with the various options available, to allow for the "Inner Council" the most available choices.

For instance
Prop #1: Remove PSM
Prop #2: Assamite's can be Prince or Seneschal
Prop #3: The Confessional to the Justicar's
Prop #4: If Prop #1 passes, is it globally done, or is it done individually per Prince
etc. etc. etc.

Re: My voting ideas.

[keyboardninja]

That could work, but can you think of a way to do it without dragging out the voting process?

Re: My voting ideas.

[corwyn]

Yes. Run them concurrently. i.e. all of them at the same time.

Prop #1 is the main one, with each sucessive proposal being contingent upon that one passing.

Re: My voting ideas.

[keyboardninja]

That could work. See if you can berate Council into letting it happen just to shut you up :)

[corwyn]

The Paul Walker thing will be handled IC'ly. Remember that the presiding Harpy over the Conclave is a Brujah. Also, that Book and Restax did an under-the-table deal around 2:30 or so on Saturday. There is a lot of animosity IC'ly being generated, and I feel that it should be treated like a warm blanket among the cold harsh weather of the Camarilla's political environment.

As for things being discarded OOC... If people were told OOC that the vote was "yes or no", then really, the "conditions" that went through discussion can't be used, and invalidate the current proposal.

In terms of being disrespectful to the coord and players... I'd just transfer such animosity IC, as such was done to the brujah and their supporters IC already.

[shadows_harem]

I'd just transfer such animosity IC, as such was done to the brujah and their supporters IC already.

Given that the "Get the Assamites into the Camarilla" plot was player driven, I am hoping that the Coords are willing to appreciate the Brujah player driven plot that is going on, and give them equal considerations and accomodations.

[placesoulhere]

IC animosity isn't a problem, but I think OOC animosity that is vented through means of IC measures is.

As long as the game remains game and people don't devolve into hating the players of the characters involved, then it should be good ol' vampire fun.

[keyboardninja]

Since the vote was railroaded OOC, but acted on IC, there's little else to do but take OOC animosity about the vote and run with it IC.

I agree that players should keep a level head, and I don't know anyone who's pissed OOC that the Assamites got in, or that Paul was fucked, etc. The only thing I'm upset about is how sloppily the vote was handled, and the lack of communication on the part of the presiding Coords.

[violindmb]

No harpy has forwarded any announcement stating his PSM status was removed. I haven't seen it on the Cam list either. It seems appropriate to treat a PSM in that manner.
Also, on a completely different note, I am confused how IC interaction is disrespectful to you as a coord OOC.

[keyboardninja]

Paul is not PSM. It was removed when the entire domain's PSM was removed. He was a citizen of the domain and affected by the announcement.

The IC stuff has nothing to do with it. It was direspectful to me as a Coord because other Coords (especially Chad, Brendan, and Terra) completely discarded the option the Brujah presented, OOCly, since it didn't fit their wants. Chad said that he wanted the plot to be over and wanted a yes or no. Terra straight up said she refused to accept any conditional options. Brendan announced OOC that the vote was a yes/no vote, with no announcement being made IC on what the options were. Also, they failed to communicate with me, at least two other Coords at the event, and the STs of the event.

[violindmb]

Interesting. I didnt gather that from the email. I think a lot of people still thought both IC and OOC that he was still PSM. It came across that it was not removed from him as he was the one sending the announcement.
**shrug**

[keyboardninja]

I agree. It was unclear, but Paul never signs his emails with the PSM notation, and a simple politics blow could have solved everything.

If people thought he was still PSM ICly, and treated him accordingly when he wasn't, then that's an IC faux pas and should be handled ICly, which is what the Brujah are trying to do.

[fallenalbatross]

I have to say that I am glad about the consistency. Since I talked to both Terra as Assamite Coord and Tim as Cam Coord about some possibilities and was given a "No, never" answer, I would be a little upset if that tune changed.

[fallenalbatross]

To clarify, it was "no" to the idea that Princes could remove the PSM flaw on an individual basis as a step to bring the Assamites in.

Also, mild dyslexia makes conversations about PSM PCs kind of funny.

[ummacnai]

If there's no way a PC can change things through a conclave, then we shouldn't be allowed to participate in Conclaves.

Excuse me if I think that's not acceptable in genre or out.

If I proposed the Princes removing it (which I was doing IC, not that it ever hit the floor of the Conclave) and a majority supported it, then who the hell is any coord to tell me no? If council wants to invalidate ANOTHER Conclave, they can do it. Excuse me if I then take the position that I might as well be playing Cam Club.

[fallenalbatross]

I don't agree with the call, and I didn't at the time either.

However, in trying to look on the bright side, I can say that they were consistent. At least I know that it was everyone getting shut down and not just me because I don't know the right people OOC or some other invalid reason. I guess I'm saying I'd rather have a consistent bad call than see displays of favoritism.

So, I guess all I'm saying is it could be better, but it could also be worse.