Сажают ли в США за звиздёж в блогах?
Да. Сажают. Вот вам конкретный пример.
Ссылка на документ от Департамента (министерства) Юстиции США
A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned a superseding indictment today charging five members of the Proud Boys, including the group’s former national chairman, with seditious conspiracy and other charges for their actions before and during the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Their actions disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress convened to ascertain and count the electoral votes related to the presidential election.
The defendants include Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York. All previously were indicted and remain detained. They pleaded not guilty to charges contained in earlier indictments.
The superseding indictment adds two charges to the earlier indictment: one count of seditious conspiracy and one count of conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging any duties. All defendants now face a total of nine charges and Pezzola faces an additional robbery charge. The defendants are scheduled to appear for a hearing on June 9, 2022, in the District of Columbia
According to court documents, the Proud Boys describe themselves as members of a “pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world, aka Western Chauvinists.” Through at least Jan. 6, 2021, Tarrio was the national chairman of the organization. In mid-December of 2020, Tarrio created a special chapter of the Proud Boys known as the “Ministry of Self Defense.” As alleged in the indictment, from in or around December 2020, Tarrio and his co-defendants, all of whom were leaders or members of the Ministry of Self Defense, conspired to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the Electoral College vote, and to oppose by force the authority of the government of the United States. On Jan. 6, 2021, the defendants directed, mobilized and led members of the crowd onto the Capitol grounds and into the Capitol, leading to dismantling of metal barricades, destruction of property, breaching of the Capitol building, and assaults on law enforcement. During and after the attack, Tarrio and his co-defendants claimed credit for what had happened on social media and in an encrypted chat room.
A sixth defendant, who was earlier charged with the group, pleaded guilty on April 8, 2022. Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, North Carolina, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers.
This case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, the Department of Justice National Security Division’s Counterterrorism Section and the Department of Justice Criminal Division’s Organized Crime and Gang Section.
The case is being investigated by the FBI’s Washington Field Office. The charges in the investigation are the result of significant cooperation between agents and staff across numerous FBI Field Offices and law enforcement agencies.
In the 17 months since Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 individuals have been arrested in nearly all 50 states for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol, including over 250 individuals charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement. The investigation remains ongoing.
Что имеем? Лидеров "Гордых пацанов" посадили в предварительное заключение (специально выделил) не за участие в мятеже 6 января. О нет! Их посадили за якобы ОРГАНИЗАЦИЮ мятежа: они напрвляли, мобилизовали и подстрекали участников мятежа и потом написали об этом в социальных сетях (бложиках)!!! Заметьте, тот факт что их не обвинили в нападении на здание Капитолия говорит прямо и недвусмысленно, что непосредственно в штурме парламента они не участвовали. Так что посажены они за подстрекательство в бложиках против якобы своего незаконного (с их точки зрения) правительства. А вообще 800 человек бросили в застенки. Только 250 из них обвинены в нападении на полицейских. За что сидят остальные - кто знает. Может и за длинный язык.
Подчеркну: в Америке за свои слова можно серьезно присесть. Очень сильно зависит от последствий слов и против кого эти слова направлены. И никакие адвокаты, никакая Первая Поправка вам не помогут.
Хорошо ли это? Ну как сказать. Спроецируйте это на свою страну и сами скажите. Если в вашей стране это плохо - значит и американская система сукавая. Если это в принципе неплохо - то и в вашей стране власти в подобных случаях поступают правильно. А если "это другое" - примите этодругина. Где-то так.
Ссылка на документ от Департамента (министерства) Юстиции США
A federal grand jury in the District of Columbia returned a superseding indictment today charging five members of the Proud Boys, including the group’s former national chairman, with seditious conspiracy and other charges for their actions before and during the breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Their actions disrupted a joint session of the U.S. Congress convened to ascertain and count the electoral votes related to the presidential election.
The defendants include Henry “Enrique” Tarrio, 38, of Miami, Florida, the former national chairman of the Proud Boys; Ethan Nordean, 31, of Auburn, Washington; Joseph Biggs, 38, of Ormond Beach, Florida; Zachary Rehl, 37, of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; and Dominic Pezzola, 44, of Rochester, New York. All previously were indicted and remain detained. They pleaded not guilty to charges contained in earlier indictments.
The superseding indictment adds two charges to the earlier indictment: one count of seditious conspiracy and one count of conspiracy to prevent an officer from discharging any duties. All defendants now face a total of nine charges and Pezzola faces an additional robbery charge. The defendants are scheduled to appear for a hearing on June 9, 2022, in the District of Columbia
According to court documents, the Proud Boys describe themselves as members of a “pro-Western fraternal organization for men who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world, aka Western Chauvinists.” Through at least Jan. 6, 2021, Tarrio was the national chairman of the organization. In mid-December of 2020, Tarrio created a special chapter of the Proud Boys known as the “Ministry of Self Defense.” As alleged in the indictment, from in or around December 2020, Tarrio and his co-defendants, all of whom were leaders or members of the Ministry of Self Defense, conspired to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the Electoral College vote, and to oppose by force the authority of the government of the United States. On Jan. 6, 2021, the defendants directed, mobilized and led members of the crowd onto the Capitol grounds and into the Capitol, leading to dismantling of metal barricades, destruction of property, breaching of the Capitol building, and assaults on law enforcement. During and after the attack, Tarrio and his co-defendants claimed credit for what had happened on social media and in an encrypted chat room.
A sixth defendant, who was earlier charged with the group, pleaded guilty on April 8, 2022. Charles Donohoe, 34, of Kernersville, North Carolina, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding and assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers.
This case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, the Department of Justice National Security Division’s Counterterrorism Section and the Department of Justice Criminal Division’s Organized Crime and Gang Section.
The case is being investigated by the FBI’s Washington Field Office. The charges in the investigation are the result of significant cooperation between agents and staff across numerous FBI Field Offices and law enforcement agencies.
In the 17 months since Jan. 6, 2021, more than 800 individuals have been arrested in nearly all 50 states for crimes related to the breach of the U.S. Capitol, including over 250 individuals charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement. The investigation remains ongoing.
Что имеем? Лидеров "Гордых пацанов" посадили в предварительное заключение (специально выделил) не за участие в мятеже 6 января. О нет! Их посадили за якобы ОРГАНИЗАЦИЮ мятежа: они напрвляли, мобилизовали и подстрекали участников мятежа и потом написали об этом в социальных сетях (бложиках)!!! Заметьте, тот факт что их не обвинили в нападении на здание Капитолия говорит прямо и недвусмысленно, что непосредственно в штурме парламента они не участвовали. Так что посажены они за подстрекательство в бложиках против якобы своего незаконного (с их точки зрения) правительства. А вообще 800 человек бросили в застенки. Только 250 из них обвинены в нападении на полицейских. За что сидят остальные - кто знает. Может и за длинный язык.
Подчеркну: в Америке за свои слова можно серьезно присесть. Очень сильно зависит от последствий слов и против кого эти слова направлены. И никакие адвокаты, никакая Первая Поправка вам не помогут.
Хорошо ли это? Ну как сказать. Спроецируйте это на свою страну и сами скажите. Если в вашей стране это плохо - значит и американская система сукавая. Если это в принципе неплохо - то и в вашей стране власти в подобных случаях поступают правильно. А если "это другое" - примите этодругина. Где-то так.