The Vampire Diaries s4, Delena stuff

[kilodalton]

This is probably not news to anyone but ME, since it came out in an interview with Ian Somerholder last week buuuuuut .....

Mild character arc-type spoiler for Delena, nothing plot-related:

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Ian Somerhalder Says Damon Isn’t Pining for Elena in Vampire Diaries Season 4
From the article: “... he expects Damon to bounce back right away. 'Here’s the good

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[kelkat9]

Oh I hope that's what happens! Although I think Damon/Elena is a better match than Stefan/Elena, I didn't care for her flip flopping emotions. Elena can be an annoying character but I am curious to see how her character changes considering what happened in the season finale. Damon deserves to have some fun.

[kilodalton]

Same, completely agreed!

(And as far as my Doctor Who comparison goes, I really wish we had seen Rose have some fun too. HATE that she didn't. Eh, until we get canon to the contrary, maybe she had it post-JE and made TenToo wait for her) XD

[wake_the_dragon]

I used to ship Delena but I haven't since season 2. The writers would really have to make it believable.

He killed her brother because she rejected him. Then there are the things he's done to her friends. Then he forced her to drink his blood.

I can understand why she wouldn't want to date him.

[kilodalton]

Damon - and vampires in general - to me are like tigers. Beautiful, and look very much like bigger versions of Fluffy-the-housecat, but they're wild animals who do wild things that housecats (and their owners) would find quite unacceptable XD

Stephan has done some pretty awful stuff by human standards too, but again - true to his nature as a vampire. They're monsters, and even though they look like humans, they don't act by human standards but by their own. (Arguably, I think Stephan is 'worse' than Damon - every awful thing Damon has done at least has been because of love and has been a warped reaction to heartbreak. Stephan kills violently just because he likes to kill. That's a lot more screwed up to me).

Ideally, I don't think human!Elena should be near either of them though, lol. But now, she is a vampire too.

[wake_the_dragon]

IDK if you can argue that when there are vampires in the show who try not to be evil. Like Stefan's friend who drank bagged blood or Caroline.

I'm not comparing Stefan and Damon and Elena would probably do better away from them.

Also Elena became a vampire?! I'm so behind on this season.

[kilodalton]

Well yeah they try not to ... but so did Stephan and look what happened to him with the whole "Ripper" thing. And remember, in all the flashbacks to the 1860s, Damon was the one on the straight and narrow.

Have you watched Being Human at all? Very similar patterns in vampire-dom at play there as well. You can try and try to not hurt other people - but when your very nature is one of a predator, eventually you are going to slip up and let it show.

Re Elena - yeah, she did =X I won't say anymore - how far are you into the season?

[six]

Do we know whose vamp blood Elena was given at the end of the season? I wonder how her transformation is going to affect their feelings for each other.

I like Elena, but I hate her wishy-washy feelings. And when she finally decided, ~she met him first all along~ and I'm just -_________-

It'd be nice to turn the tables for once. I would've liked to see it with Ten/Rose, too. XD

[kilodalton]

I don't think we know whose blood Meredith was using - I know she was using Damon's for a while there but don't know if she moved on to someone else's.

I like Elena, but I hate her wishy-washy feelings.

Same here! That is so NOT me, and it's very hard for me to relate to, and it's difficult for me to have much empathy for her on that particular front. >.<

It'd be nice to turn the tables for once. I would've liked to see it with Ten/Rose, too. XD

OMG TOTALLY. As much as TenToo/Rose is my OTP, I do sincerely hope she let him sweat it out first for a month. Or six. Or twelve XD

[six]

Do vamps in TVD have an attachment to their makers? If it was Damon's blood...

Egh, me neither. Especially after all Stefan put her through. （￣へ￣）

TWELVE! XD In the parallel world, Rose is five times the catch! I like to imagine TenToo realizing that when he's confronted by her other suitors mwahaha.

[kilodalton]

Do vamps in TVD have an attachment to their makers? If it was Damon's blood...

O.O!!!!

@.@!!!!

I LOVE THIS IDEA!! We have canon for that with werewolves, how funny if it were true for vampires as well! XD

TWELVE! XD In the parallel world, Rose is five times the catch! I like to imagine TenToo realizing that when he's confronted by her other suitors mwahaha.

OMG SO GLAD TO FIND ANOTHER LIKE-MINDED PERSON ABOUT THIS!!!!!

Someone on doctorwho-meta had made the comment that when it came down to it, as far as romantic competition went, the (Nu Who, at least) Doctor has really been the alpha male. He has no serious competition for whatever-female's-affections-he-may-want from another man. Whereas the female is the one who has to ~struggle~ for his love. I think that was something I always kind of subconsciously thought, but it took them articulating it like that for me to realize how unfair it was. And Rose is my favorite character, and damn if I don't want him to suffer equally XD

Poor TenToo. LOL.

[cassandra_elise]

Yeah, Damon pining over any girl is booooring. :p I also believe the season finale was pointing toward a Delena ending, despite the fact that Elena chose Stefan. For starters, the reasons Elena chose Stefan over Damon are now null and void. She chose him because he "makes her feel alive," and now she's dead. :P And because she "met him first," and now we know she actually met Damon first. Plus we got Elena's speech to Matt that Damon consumes her, and then in the flashback Damon tells her that what everybody wants most in the world is to find a love that consumes them.

I really think all of those elements are going to come into play next season and will force Elena to realize that she chose the wrong brother yet AGAIN.

[kilodalton]

ITA with you - totally forgot about the "makes her feel alive" thing, but LOL at the irony in that XD

[rosaxx50]

Eh. I'm one of those people who thinks that Elena has been treating Damon badly as at late-ish s3 -- but that it's nothing compared to what Damon did to her s1-s2. IMO, in s1-early s3, Elena made it pretty clear she didn't want a relationship with him, and didn't make any moves to indicate otherwise. Of course, in s3 that changes, and she's been batting around his emotions for a while.

I just don't think that playing around with his emotions quite compares to when he snapped Jeremy's neck or force-fed her blood. (And honestly, I would have liked to see more yelling on her part after what Stefan did to her + countless others around the country, too.)

Still, I'm... weirdly invested in Damon+Elena. I'm curious what the show's going to do with them.

[kilodalton]

Clearly Damon's actions were wrong by human standards - but he's not a human. He's more like a wild animal operating on base instinct imo, and I can't judge a cougar for killing a gazelle, kwim?

Ideally, I don't think human!Elena should have been around any of them - all of the ones we've gotten to know well clearly have some mega issues @.@ Now that she's vampire!Elena, it will be interesting to see what her own demons to fight will be ...

[rosaxx50]

The thing is, I don't really see Damon's actions as instinctual, any more than a human's actions to kill in a moment of anger would be instinctual -- because if s3 showed anything, it was that Damon had to be taught to go after prey, which Sage stepped up to teach him. The difference between Damon (and Stefan, Katherine, etc.) and cougars is that Damon clearly knows the difference between right or wrong, to at least the extent humans do, and he chooses to do the wrong thing anyway.

So, basically, I see what you would mean if it were Damon snacking on various bystanders when he's hungry, because that is his instinct, but I disagree about the neck-snapping and blood-forcing.

Oh yes. Elena/normal life used to be a ship of mine, before, well, 3x22 happened. I wonder if we'll be allowed to have bloodthirsty furious Elena...

ETA: There's an excellent post at tvd_meta I read a while back that laid out vampire morality for me, and I went off to look for it. It explains my pov a lot better than I do

[kilodalton]

Perhaps a better example wouldn't be a cougar - but more like a dog. I can try to teach my dog to heel/stay/sit - and it will want to please me and do those things - but if it sees a squirrel or something, then forget about it - its instincts take over, and to hell with what I've taught him!

I think a great example for instinct is Caroline. Wonderful, sweet, well-intentioned Caroline. As soon as she became a vampire, what did she do? She milked that poor nurse for blood, and compelled her to lie about where her wound came from. And then she killed someone. None of that made her evil at all - it was just a reflection of her NEW nature as a vampire, which she is now suppressing through force of will.

What I took from Damon/Sage was that she taught him how to scheme and give in to his baser urges -- but the important part for me is that those baser urges were always there, lurking underneath. She couldn't give him that: that aspect of his nature already had to be in place in order for her 'teachings' to have any effect. Damon's actions