APPARENTLY!eternally17November 8 2011, 05:56:06 UTC
Not on it's own, put at least in part. There is no easy way to judge punishment for such a thing. It is easier when the person is in the obvious moral wrong.
But try to look at it this way- if one of your friends had been murdered by a stranger, even under the infliction of the event... how would you react? Would you want repentance? Would you want them to go free?
[Oh, Nat. You're asking the wrong person, a girl who forgave not just a stranger but an enemy, for not just murdering one of her friends but all of them, right before her eyes, to crush her heart.
She fought to bring them back, and that's why Rei is here for you to ask to the prom. And she did it by that faith, hope - and forgiveness.]
If they weren't a dangerous person normally, yes. They can put right what happened. They can at least try.
[Galaxia hadn't just been forgiven for all of that, she had helped to return everyone to where they belonged and undo what she did.]
And the one to be angry at is the Animus who manipulated them.
[Oh... well, this isn't at all personal considering recent goings-ons in her life.]
I think it should be weighed on a case-by-case basis. In the event that someone was forced to do something out of self-defense or behaved in a way that most people would generally agree is uncharacteristic for him or her, forgiveness should be considered. However, the victims may not feel that way, and so it might prove more difficult to reach a just compromise before an appropriate decision in regards to disciplinary action can be reached. I think, however, that it's not all too dissimilar from what happens in most standard courts, where a person can plead insanity or extenuating circumstances; this would, however, be contingent on whether or not we ever develop a judiciary system that can be trusted to make such judgments.
I described it as the very same when discussing this with mister Duroc. Pleas of temporary insanity must be taken into consideration- though you're right on the judiciary system; unfortunately, I don't think that would be extremely possible in the near future.
But you're right about the fact that- friends and family may not see it that way and be upset. Somehow, we need to find a way to keep them happy, as well as the onlookers who would see us punish someone for an event action.
Due to things that I've personally experienced, I'm inclined to say that it is the Animus that are the real perpetrators of crimes committed during an event, as they are the ones who orchestrated the circumstances or personality changes to begin with. However, the Animus have come to be considered nigh untouchable, and as some people prefer swift justice, this won't always satisfy them when they see the person whose hands carried out the deed walking free.
The trouble is, we have no real system of government here, so it's hardly as though we can take a democratic vote on the matter.
That's what we're trying to do, Miss Granger. Install some system, some form of retribution for murders without being wholly unjust to the murderers themselves. It's a delicate line, and I'm not altogether certain if there is a correct way to do so, but we have to try.
I think we need a government and law before we can make a just enough disciplinary decision. Unfortunately, my natural instinct is to want to allow revenge to take its course, but I know that's not right.
Very true. As I said to Hermione, a judiciary system is not entirely possible in this situation, but in attempting to write makeshift laws- as I have been doing since I arrived here- this conflict must be taken into consideration.
It's very human to want revenge. [Ooooh, how he knew that one.] But you are correct in doubting yourself. Some element of forgiveness is required if we're going to succeed as a community.
Forgiveness will get us a long way, but it won't solve or prevent the problem from happening again in the future. We need a mixture of forgiveness and consequence, and both of those should probably be judged case-by-case and with severity in mind. But then, how do we weigh one crime against another? More questions than answers.
Unfortunately, all you have said so far has been true. We need to balance forgiveness carefully with consequence- and the wrong balance will cause the population to lash back at us.
However, it needs to be implemented, and soon. If nothing else, then we should retain the right to hold the murderer in prison until the end of the event, at least.
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I would also be concerned with who has been killed and why.
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[He pauses.]
But try to look at it this way- if one of your friends had been murdered by a stranger, even under the infliction of the event... how would you react? Would you want repentance? Would you want them to go free?
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She fought to bring them back, and that's why Rei is here for you to ask to the prom. And she did it by that faith, hope - and forgiveness.]
If they weren't a dangerous person normally, yes. They can put right what happened. They can at least try.
[Galaxia hadn't just been forgiven for all of that, she had helped to return everyone to where they belonged and undo what she did.]
And the one to be angry at is the Animus who manipulated them.
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[He smiles vaguely.]
But I'm afraid you'll find that not everyone here is as open minded as you are.
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I think it should be weighed on a case-by-case basis. In the event that someone was forced to do something out of self-defense or behaved in a way that most people would generally agree is uncharacteristic for him or her, forgiveness should be considered. However, the victims may not feel that way, and so it might prove more difficult to reach a just compromise before an appropriate decision in regards to disciplinary action can be reached. I think, however, that it's not all too dissimilar from what happens in most standard courts, where a person can plead insanity or extenuating circumstances; this would, however, be contingent on whether or not we ever develop a judiciary system that can be trusted to make such judgments.
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I described it as the very same when discussing this with mister Duroc. Pleas of temporary insanity must be taken into consideration- though you're right on the judiciary system; unfortunately, I don't think that would be extremely possible in the near future.
But you're right about the fact that- friends and family may not see it that way and be upset. Somehow, we need to find a way to keep them happy, as well as the onlookers who would see us punish someone for an event action.
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The trouble is, we have no real system of government here, so it's hardly as though we can take a democratic vote on the matter.
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It's very human to want revenge. [Ooooh, how he knew that one.] But you are correct in doubting yourself. Some element of forgiveness is required if we're going to succeed as a community.
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However, it needs to be implemented, and soon. If nothing else, then we should retain the right to hold the murderer in prison until the end of the event, at least.
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That, unfortunately,doesn't make it easier to enforce.
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