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kruszer

Miracles

Sep 17, 2010 13:22

When a Christian friend offered to pray for me, and I facetiously declared: "I'd need a miracle!", he asked me what that miracle would look like. After some serious thought, this was my reply:

If I could have a miracle, I would want one year. One year to be a normal person, with a normal body, and normal problems (I'll deal with heartbreak ( Read more... )

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miracle crookedfingers September 17 2010, 21:20:01 UTC

the longer I live the more life becomes a mystery-glad you wrote-I have no answers-we just got to keep going and trusting the Lord-peace Jonny

Re: miracle kruszer September 17 2010, 23:02:23 UTC

What the hell for? Who in their right mind would keep trusting someone who has always let them down, hardly ever been there for them and who has starved 2/3 of the planet by watching them die when he was more than capable of intervening to help those who help themselves - and this without overriding so-called "free-will"?

You wouldn't count on a man like that, so why do we trust this God person? That makes little if any sense at all.

Re: miracle crookedfingers September 19 2010, 02:10:42 UTC

the Lord has never let me down-I know I have let the Lord down countless times-like I wrote life is mysterious to me-I do not comprehend the ways of the Lord-I do not know why He loved sinners and died for them on a Cross-I do not know why He continues to sustain the world-when mankind has rejected Him? peace

Re: miracle kruszer September 20 2010, 23:37:33 UTC

but that's just talk. "never let me down" what does that mean and how does one know God is there and "there for them" when all shit is rolling down the hill? Maybe you live a life of comfort and ease but what about the majority on this planet who don't even have their daily bread. How has God NOT failed the little 7 year old girl who prayed for food or medicine so her baby brother and mother wouldn't die of malnutrition, as she herself suffers the pain of disease the has no happy redemptive ending?

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tibbycat September 18 2010, 14:38:29 UTC

"Because I believe there is a Christian version of karma that SHOULD render things right. There should be a fairy-tale ending for someone who has suffered all their days dontchaknow?"

Isn't that heaven? This life on the other hand is frequently unfair.

I used to get upset with the world not being just, but then I figured that it'd be worse if life really was fair, because then all the bad things that happen to you would happen because you actually deserved them! Eek! It's better this way. And it won't be this way forever. Hang in there Kristine.

kruszer September 20 2010, 23:49:37 UTC

how do you bank on a heaven when God's never shown his face on earth? And what kind of sick deity can only come up with a get-to-know-you/redemption plan that is so skewed and which hangs all existence on a better existence later? Really God? This was the best possible world/system you could've come up with? :P

"it'd be worse if life really was fair, because then all the bad things that happen to you would happen because you actually deserved them!"I think it makes a lot more sense that way, and it follows the Biblical paradigm of the natural law. Sin produces suffering and the Bible is full of promises to the likes of "obey and it will go well". Whenever the children of Israeal were swept away by their enemies it was always when they were in rebellion. Basic suffering would follow the curse of Adam and eve on a pretty universal level, and beyond that God would deal one on one with us in accordance to our actions. Good living yields good fruit and bad living yields bad fruit. Everyone would choose for themselves and reap ( ... )

tibbycat September 21 2010, 06:06:41 UTC

God's never shown his face on Earth? Really? History disagrees.

"I think it makes a lot more sense that way, and it follows the Biblical paradigm of the natural law. Sin produces suffering and the Bible is full of promises to the likes of "obey and it will go well". Whenever the children of Israel were swept away by their enemies it was always when they were in rebellion. Basic suffering would follow the curse of Adam and eve on a pretty universal level, and beyond that God would deal one on one with us in accordance to our actions. Good living yields good fruit and bad living yields bad fruit. Everyone would choose for themselves and reap accordingly."

I think your exegesis is a little off there. You sound like Job's friends who told him that his suffering was the result of him doing something wrong or because God must've hated him.

It also sounds like the dodgy prosperity gospel that some Pentecostals love to espouse, or gnostic crap like 'the secret'. (see here for a funny secular explanation why 'the secret' is awfulThere's a ( ... )

kruszer September 24 2010, 00:10:31 UTC

I'm talking about the classic view of suffering as the Bible presents it. There are others but I didn't find them relevant enough to get into right then. There is actually good evidence that what Job's friends said that made God so angry is missing from the text that became known as the book of Job (which was really two texts put into one). The view they were presenting to Job was the same one that the early texts of law and pentetuche establish. Do well = get well. Do bad = get bad ( ... )

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g4c9z January 27 2011, 16:14:21 UTC

That's horrific that you were treated that way by your father.

Regarding the dancing-concussion problem: what about dancing with a helmet?