Comments | kseda: The Prop 8 Trial: some nattering

kseda

The Prop 8 Trial: some nattering

Jan 15, 2010 12:45

I keep feeling like I need to filter this stuff, for so many reasons. Compared to the unimaginable horror happening right now in Haiti, I feel guilty for focusing so much of my attention on these proceedings. Even if that weren't going on I'd be hesitant to post about it because I just...don't really do a lot of serious discussion here ( Read more... )

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bethos January 15 2010, 17:53:56 UTC

I don't think being passionate about these issues is something that needs an LJ cut, personally. I am planning on using your links to write a civil liberties essay for class later today though so, you know, YMMV.

kseda January 15 2010, 18:00:30 UTC

...that pleases me greatly. Enjoy the linkage!

Yeah, I know a cut isn't especially warrented (actually I thought I'd been more tl;dr than I really was), I just get viciously self-conscious about these sorts of things.

brewsternorth January 15 2010, 17:58:43 UTC

Personally I find it appalling that we got endless coverage of OJ Simpson but now we suddenly can't put clips of a civil rights trial on YouTube.

Same here. I can't even understand why they're having to wrangle over showing the *edited highlights* on a Web 2.0 network when, as you say, so many American court-cases are televised. I mean, as a Brit I have issues with televising court-cases in general, but the arguments against televising the Prop8 case seem specious to me.

kseda January 15 2010, 18:02:34 UTC

SERIOUSLY specious, as their names are part of the public record. It's a clear case of doing everything theyc an to keep this all under the radar.

bethos January 15 2010, 18:13:36 UTC

Yes, it is. I am pretty disgusted with the fact that it is happening, and more disgusted with the fact that it is working. As a law student I find it is especially disheartening to be this disappointed in the justice system.

It makes me anxious about what the results of the trial will be, not this time around, where I am actually quite hopeful -- but on appeal...

kseda January 15 2010, 18:26:58 UTC

The good thing is that it looks like Judge Walker has a nicely-tuned bullshit detector, but I've learned from long experience not to hope. Because...yeah, the ide aof an appeal is scary.

gogogidget January 15 2010, 18:15:36 UTC

I've been following through NCLR's twitter updates. Watching this all unfold is like an exercise in absurdity. Not that I'm not familiar with all the arguments (I live in Texas fer chrissakes) but some of these questions, like the one a little while ago about teasing, and now Thompson's attempt to discredit everything Lamb just said while they all hunker down as if this is some secret meeting of the Gay Illuminati v. Straight Illuminati in a back alley with chains and dancing.

...I need to stop with the metaphors, but I think the dancing part accurately describes the level of absurdity involved in the entire argument and obfuscation of said argument as it stands.

kseda January 15 2010, 18:32:31 UTC

I am presently reading this cross-examination and longing for the universe's biggest bowl of popcorn. Just...wow.

And your metaphors are, as usual, lovely and apt. So there.

gogogidget January 15 2010, 18:36:48 UTC

...He referenced the 'Homer Simpson's of the world, and I'm pretty sure he's implying that men are two stupid to raise a child on their own while women are too poor. Or something.

It's hard to tell my brain exploded about five questions in.

kseda January 15 2010, 19:06:46 UTC

It really is amazingly boggling. They do know this is a grown-up court for grown-ups, right?

ionlylurkhere January 15 2010, 18:23:10 UTC

Just for the record: this member of the choir is enjoying the preaching.

kseda January 15 2010, 19:07:09 UTC

*snugs* You're welcome, I'm glad to be of service!

jeymien January 15 2010, 18:34:45 UTC

I'm glad you're posting these things. I'm happily Canadian, and even being straight, I'm proud of the fact that my country has legalized same sex marriages. Everyone deserves the right to be married to the person they love.

I love to follow the debate in the Americas, and thanks to you, I have an easy way to do so.

Keep posting!

kseda January 15 2010, 19:09:39 UTC

Will do! I imagine all these shennanigans must be fascinating from the outside, and I tend to be objective for a lot of it (despite ruling here potentially affecting my rights down the line) because it's all just FASCINATING.

A couple days ago there was testimony from marriage and LGBT historians that provided such a wealth if interesting information, I'm glad there iss ome form of media that is preserving it all in more or less one palce. Yay intertubes!