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ktt52krabbidake

Why do we always send the poor? How Many Licks to the Center of a Tootsie Roll Pop? Who Cares?

Oct 13, 2005 07:38

Answer, we don't! If this new research proves correct that is ( Read more... )

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cubarican October 13 2005, 10:55:03 UTC

at least there's no draft. that's all I'm sayin.

god bless america on that one.

my bad dude, I watched some Bill Hicks recently... I just want to point out what I see as obvious... cubarican October 14 2005, 03:59:24 UTC

what about death rates? I've always kinda seen the whole "why the poor thing" as the actual people out there doing the dying. are the people that have something to lose actually "on the lines," so to speak? or are the enlisted "rich" predominately officers and people in charge safe in the back giving orders? brings strong significance to the word "send." whose doing the sending? - those in power; those that want war. why can't they fight their war by themselves instead of convincing the public and making it a nationalistic fad to rally behind? that's kinda what I thought that song was about. yeah, it is the lefty view. whoopty do, but it's their critique of the right's actions. and in my mind the point is that the government can do what it wants, independent of the people (unless the people really don't agree with it). and we're all expected to and ridiculed into following along, or else your leftist and you're evil badness *hiss.* what's made the politics so rough the past several years has been the near 50/50 on the American opinion ( ... )

like you said, theres no draft, and its a volunteer army. ktt52krabbidake October 14 2005, 04:36:35 UTC

meh. Serj is a drug addled moron.

its a misleading song with irrelevant lyrics.
riling up the idiot masses is deceitful.
Bill Hicks, ultimately, is for entertainment. when he actually hits on something pertinent, it's drug addled savant rant.
something to start up conversation, but not to make a point in debate by any means.

I would take a look at the actual debate I lifted this from:

http://www.livejournal.com/community/conservatism/2233223.html?nc=91

Re: like you said, theres no draft, and its a volunteer army. cubarican October 14 2005, 15:37:07 UTC

just because he doesn't support everything America does doesn't make him a moron... and the same is true for the rest of the people that could simpathize. your strokes are pretty broad too, ya know. I was under the impression that all men are created equal... everyone but Serj, Bill Hicks and Al Franken, apparently ( ... )

I'm a thinker aren't I... cubarican October 14 2005, 04:00:12 UTC

and no one can escape the fact that 'poor' and 'war' rhyme. in much the same way that 'attack' and 'Iraq' do. cut SoaD some slack on the lyrical prowess. it's just something catchy that people say without meaning or fully understanding, kinda like "Merry Christmas" or "Jihad," or "that's gay." however, with the decent pages of graphs and stuff, it is pretty easy to dispell the whole "poor" thing as a catchy myth. it's a very strong phrase that looks very narrowly at something truthful but magnifies it and blows it pretty out of proportion. it's a political statement and not literal fact. it's just a bumper sticker phrase, kinda like "The Power of Pride" or "Rush Limbaugh is really cool." it doesn't really mean anything, it's just there to invoke an emotion, an effect to support your stance on the war (or piss you off. whichever side you're on ( ... )

more savage, less franken ktt52krabbidake October 14 2005, 04:45:17 UTC

poor and war also rhyme with BORE. ;)
it states right there in the article the data is from the first gulf war era (2001). no shadyness here.

poor does not equal stupid, and rich does not equal evil.
that's a commonly used very broad brush.
I'd check out this feed:

http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=poor_and_stupid

the garbage in current history is not going anywhere in our lifetime. things are only going to get worse.

Re: more savage, less franken cubarican October 14 2005, 15:47:37 UTC

my bad, I missed the first gulf war detail. there's nothing shady about the data or about it's time frame or origin, its application in this case is what's shady. it's like saying "they didn't send poor people to war during the gulf war." this data clearly supports that fact... but what about this war or other wars? using THAT particular data for THAT particular argument is focusing on something too small or unrelated entirely. I don't want to exclude the gulf war... but don't you think it's unfair to focus ONLY on gulf war data and not on present or previous correlations do debunk the song's potentially modern or time transcending statement? it IS shady to use data from one thing to support the "truths" of another. it's possible too that the song's statement is one on modern circumstances... data, in fact, left unrepresented in this present argument. it's like holding two cards, one in each hand and showing only the one in your right hand to someone and declaring that you are hold "a card." while it is true... there's more to the ( ... )

baron_achtzig October 15 2005, 02:48:52 UTC

i'm not going to read all those words, but a lot of what i skimmed seemed coherent so i doubt i'd be wasting my time pointing out the indisputable ( ... )