Comments | laeria: I have seen the tumblr light

laeria

I have seen the tumblr light

Sep 02, 2012 00:51

Q: what is tumblr for?

old, wrong A: keeping in touch with fandom trends; obtaining gifs; making yourself feel old even when you're not yet 23

new, correct A: stalking people who are bitching about the new Who episode.

( squee-harshing spoilers )

Comments 17

penny_lane_42 September 2 2012, 01:01:16 UTC

Meh. It was an okay episode overall. I loooooved Oswin ("phase" thing aside), hated how it treated the Ponds marriage, mostly did other things while I watched. It's nice not being all het up about it though.

laeria September 2 2012, 10:23:01 UTC

I was okay with the Pond marriage going through a crisis - I love it when characters have to deal with infertility, and I can see Amy being quite dramatic about it rather than being like "ergo, adoption", because she's quite young and had never had time to think this sort of thing through, plus she also has dollops of Doctor-related guilt and kind of funnels that into thing - well, and also their horrible ignoring of the whole Melody thing had to come out somehow. So, right, I was okay with that, even if I would have preferred a fight over ~~divorce~~. But! Then it got fixed in under ten minutes, and they still didn't talk anything through. And it was horrible. And magically cured infertility is one of my grandest squicks, so if that happens...

penny_lane_42 September 2 2012, 15:25:54 UTC

It was the flippancy with which it was treated that bothered me--I don't mind at all the idea of them having a fight and I agree with you about infertility being a really interesting topic for them to handle. If it had been done well I probably would have quite liked it (but they went waaaaay too far with the divorce thing omg so silly). This is not a topic for just one episode and like you said, getting it fixed in ten minutes without actually talking about anything made me want to bang my head against a wall.

And magically cured infertility is one of my grandest squicks, so if that happens...

That would be disgusting. I'd be furious.

thornyrose42 September 2 2012, 15:53:49 UTC

It is really one of those topics which you should treat with respect and not do by halves. So having one, admittedly well acted scene, isn't really enough. Also, I'm laying my bets now that this conflict isn't referenced again (or at least not as much as it should be) until the last episode in which there is a small space moppet for them to adopt.

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thornyrose42 September 2 2012, 10:40:57 UTC

I am still annoyed at the lack of fallout from the whole River is Amy and Rory's baby thing. Especially now that they have made the whole bodily violation thing worse by adding in the sterilisation. Which is just... horrible. I've kind of accepted now that Amy and Rory, as a couple, don't really do talking through there issues. So, while it annoys me in a Deal With Your Shit People way, I can also accept it as a character trait. So some sort of exploration of their reactions to what happened to Amy and their baby would have been interesting. I could have imagined Amy not wanting to go through with having another child because of the trauma associated with pregnancy, I can imagine them both worrying about whether they would be having another child to replace the one they 'lost', I can imagine Rory being hideously over protective. And even as it now canonically stands, with Amy unable to have biological children, surely they both have more complicated feelings about the idea of children than 'want but can't have'? (Also, did neither of ( ... )

penny_lane_42 September 2 2012, 15:27:05 UTC

I appreciate your thoughts a lot, and I completely agree.

laeria September 2 2012, 17:10:17 UTC

Oooh, your thoughts. I love your thoughts and they are similar to mine. What I've commented over on DW:

I was okay, ish, with the divorce - you're right that original BFF Amy and Rory would have talked it out. But post-S6 Amy and Rory had spent the two previous years of their lives in various states of trauma, suffering and grief, and they never even got to talk about it (at least, not that we've seen), and probably they're in a state of lalalala ignore-all-the-things we-are-so-happy. Meanwhile, if Amy, who had gone through forced pregnancy and then had her baby taken away like it was no big deal, discovered she could have no more babies (well, no more pregnancies, you know, no chance to do it over but awake this time), it would fuck her up. And then she'd kind of vaguely blame it all on Rory, because she still unfairly associates him to this normal, expected, gender-confirming white-picket life ( ... )

thornyrose42 September 2 2012, 17:39:59 UTC

I don't know that Amy and Rory have ever really done talking things out. I definitely recall yelling a lot in season five because they weren't talking to each other about their relationship. Instead Amy was kissing the Doctor and Rory was being passive agressive. In fact one of the first things we see of their relationship is evidence that they don't tend to communicate, Amy describes him as her 'sort of' boyfriend.

But apart from that, yes, it basically boils down to, this shit is complicated, and rather than acknowledge those complications and appreciate the opportunity to do some character exploration, Moffat just... blah.

So... waiting for the next show runner to step in I guess.