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[leka_moya]

You know what really ticks me off? People who act like waiters - and people in other service jobs - are untermensch. Who the hell do they think they are, acting like that, as if this is still the eighteen hundreds and there's still a class society? News call, fattie: just because you have the money to stuff yourself at a restaurant, you are NOT

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[lionhead]

Okay; take care; everybody. Do something fun after reading this, like blow soapbubbles or take a bath with lots of foam...or try to stand on your head!

XD! I can try the third one, seeing that we have got neither a bathtub nor a soapbubble-canister.

Anyway: What a horrible incident, ruining the clubbing experience for both of you! And there's so little you can do, seeing that it was all so crowded and loud. If I would have been you I would have ignored the incident unless it somehow repeated itself, but that's just my own masculine and cynical way of seeing things. *hugs*

[leka_moya]

No, the clubbing-experience was ruined for me. Simon's was cut short, but he wasn't humiliated and objectified, like I was.

Have you ever had an older person approach you and proposition you come to their hotel-room for a drink, also known as sex? Have you ever had them insist on this?

Have you ever had someone stare at your crotch and say "great package!"?

Have you ever had someone willfully grab a body part in a sexual and power-displaying manner? And not only grab, but look you in the face while they did it? And had them try and hold you back?

If you haven't experienced any of this, you don't really understand what it's like to be objectified and you're not able to relate to my feelings about this issue. It doesn't really have anything to do with you being masculine or cynical.

But this is something you can be more aware of: feeling objectified makes me feel scared, sad and angry. It's not something that's easy to ignore. And I don't feel like I should have to, either. When you say that you would have ignored it makes me

[purpletophat]

::hugs:: I'm so sorry I didn't mention this. I normally do, but I think my head was a bit scattered. France does have some serious "flirting" issues. To the point where it's no longer just flirting, but attacking the other person. It happened to me on the street, in stores, in malls--men just run headlong into you and start literally imposing themselves on you. Invading your personal space, touching, propositioning, acting as though *you* were lucky to be on the receiving end of their advances. And beware when you tell them no, they're vindictive. AUGH. It's sort of second nature to me when I go back to France now--I never look, however accidentally, at men on the street. -__-

[leka_moya]

It's okay, I already knew. Heh. I'm a bit lucky with my build and height - I'm rarely targeted by men, so to say, because in most cases I'm bigger than them and I suppose they don't think that's very attractive. :P
But the few times it has happened it's been really uncomfortable. And the groping, oh man, that was just disgusting. *shudder*

[loki_of_aesir]

"News call, fattie: just because you have the money to stuff yourself at a restaurant, you are NOT better than your waitress, so stop bossing her around, she is NOT your servant

[leka_moya]

Blahblah. My mother was a waitress for 15 years, so I actually see them as humans. I don't think other humans deserve being treated like dirty just because they hand you your plate of food.

The customers are perfectly in their right to judge human value by the content of their wallets, even if you and I don't like it. :P

And I have a right to think he's an asshole because of it. Do you object to this?

[loki_of_aesir]

No, I don't object to that.

However, regarding your first point, I do object to your "blahblah"'ing my comment. And more importantly, I do object to you insinuating that I wrote that any humans deserved being treated like dirt. I wrote that it is logically inconsistent to consider someone doing a servant's job being unfairly treated if they are treated in a way you expect a servant to be treated. And you did, as you objected to the very notion that a waitress could be a servant. I tried to point out that that is, in essence, what a waitress is. That's not saying they, or any other people working as servants to other people, should be treated poorly

[leka_moya]

I didn't mean to insuinate that you think it's okat that people be treated like dirt, I'm really sorry about that. Nothing I've written to you is meant to be accusing in any way.

I'm sorry about the "blahblah" too.

The word servant holds bad connotations with me, personally. I never use the word servant to describe today's maitre'd's, waiters, waitresses or bartenders, and I don't associate them with servants.
The word servant makes me think of times when people in service-jobs were thought of as lesser than their employers. That's why I use it in the negative.

And this man treated this waitress badly. He used a very unpleasant tone of voice and bossed her around.

[kaldtblod]

LM. skal jeg adde deg? vet ikke.

[nerves_patterns]

Hi... this is Jessica, formerly of julianelupin. I wanted to apologize for dropping out of touch and not answering your really thoughtful comments when everything was so crazy this summer, because even though things were nuts, there was no excuse for that. I'm really sorry.

I also wanted to say that I've got a new, kind of low-profile journal - nerves_patterns - and I'd like to ask your permission to friend you on that journal. I miss keeping up with you and reading your posts. If you aren't interested, that's okay. But I hope things have been going well for you in the meantime, and I hope to hear back from you soon. Take care. :)

[nerves_patterns]

Hi.

I can't give you that permission, it doesn't feel right. I think you have to make peace with other people first.

Thank you for the apology though. I appreciate it.

No matter what you choose to do, I wish you good luck and that all will turn out for the best, for everybody.

Sincerely,
Caroline.

[leka_moya]

Just to confirm that was really me. Just forgot to log in.

[moorwen]

Hej hej, du er hyggelig. Woo. Lj-buddiez, alright?