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tcpip April 21 2012, 23:50:00 UTC
"It's my right to feed ammonia to other people and not tell them! It's there responsibility to find out! That's a free market!"

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kylinrouge April 22 2012, 01:27:35 UTC
More like it's my right to feed you rotten ketchup as long as I properly label it to have a chance to be moldy, and for 90% of the bottles to be moldy and cheap. It's worth the risk.

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weswilson April 22 2012, 00:09:47 UTC
While I agree with much of the rest of this, I really don't feel pink slime was the horror most people did. We used to value using all parts of the animal as a noble endeavor. Wasted parts of our livestock was evidence of failure, not success. But now, just because pink slime seems "icky", we are rebelling against it. I like chlorine in my drinking water for the same reasons I don't really mind ammonia in my beef.

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telemann April 22 2012, 00:45:44 UTC
I think though, in fairness to the thrifty old days with farmers and folks who grew their own cattle to eat, the parts used back then weren't processed with ammonia. But on the other head, I learned recently the first NYC health codes were enacted around 1900, because butchers were processing every part of dead cattle, long past its prime and even mixing in Lye to keep the stench down. And "market forces" weren't working because nearly EVERYONE was doing this. People got fed up with the fatalities and something was done by the government finally. Haha. I found a short clip that talked about this, it's from a BBC special on "Filthy Cities" and this is on New York during the industrial age.

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weswilson April 22 2012, 13:37:20 UTC
"folks who grew their own cattle to eat, the parts used back then weren't processed with ammonia"

and those folks often suffered from food born illness.

Ammonia kills bad things... Ammonia has not been shown to harm humans in the concentrations it is used. TONS of our food products use ammonia to disinfect and acidify, from cookies to ketchup to salami to relish. I feel I've done a constructive analogy by comparing it to the chlorine in our drinking water.

Regardless of whether one thinks ammonia is healthy, meat is full of all kinds of bacteria that can harm us... even in the healthiest of animals. Toss into the mix that we like to eat burgers that are still pink in the middle, and we get an even bigger issue with our meat preparation. I'm all for not serving rotten offal as meat, but that isn't the case, here.

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telemann April 22 2012, 14:46:42 UTC
and those folks often suffered from food born illness.

Those folks weren't doing an assembly line production of everything from the feed made up of dead animals, to processing their own meat. And if they did get sick on a family farm, it wasn't affecting large swaths of the population.

Ammonia kills bad things... Ammonia has not been shown to harm humans in the concentrations it is used

Yeah so what? The food industry loves to say it's a "Natural chemical!" Well, arsenic is another "naturally occurring" chemical but I don't want it on my food either (it's used in chicken feed). Let's pee on our steaks, you know because pee has a lot of ammonia in it!

Regardless of whether one thinks ammonia is healthy, meat is full of all kinds of bacteria that can harm us... even in the healthiest of animals.

Yeah we know. But ground meat is much worse for a whole bunch of reasons, it's not the same as other cut sections of beef..

I'm all for not serving rotten offal as meat, but that isn't the case, here.

I never said otherwise.

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joshthevegan April 22 2012, 21:53:26 UTC
Yep.

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